"You don't throw a whole life away just cause it's banged up a little"

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The Cocaine (or whatever) PVAL was using didn't bother me nearly as much as the D.U.I......As long as he was being tested,then I think it was enough of a safeguard.The D.U.I. is more of a crime against others though.I really don't have sympathy for somebody driving when they are so drunk they can't avoid still objects.It's totally irresponsible,and it needs to become taboo.

[cakes44]

Alcoholism and anorexia... the only "diseases" where someone is "cured" by choice.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Alcoholism and anorexia... the only "diseases" where someone is "cured" by choice.

You not think they are diseases?

[cakes44]

Mental defects or just plain mental weakness maybe. However, I'm definitely not going to lump them in with those who have to suffer through something like cancer through no fault of their own.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Mental defects or just plain mental weakness maybe. However, I'm definitely not going to lump them in with those who have to suffer through something like cancer through no fault of their own.

alcholism has been proven to be gene based and hereditery. Not to say that it's easier to get help for that than cancer, but if you smoke for 30 years or lay in the sun every summer, there has to be some level of ownership if you get cancer.

[cakes44]

I'll give you that. Some forms of cancer are definitely the result of poor choices. I should have used a different disease as an example I guess.

In this case, the idea of heredity and genes means nothing to me. Intelligence is also passed on through genes.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I'll give you that. Some forms of cancer are definitely the result of poor choices. I should have used a different disease as an example I guess.

In this case, the idea of heredity and genes means nothing to me. Intelligence is also passed on through genes.

Sorry you missed out on these

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I'll give you that. Some forms of cancer are definitely the result of poor choices. I should have used a different disease as an example I guess.

In this case, the idea of heredity and genes means nothing to me. Intelligence is also passed on through genes.

I don't think we are disagreeing on cancer....look..I lost both parents to a type of cancer they certainly didn't "deserve"..

but you are dismissing alcoholism as a weakness or lack of intelligence when that is simply not true and is a diservice to anyone who has ever struggled with this DISEASE...yes..DISEASE. I got a DUI in 2000, something i am certainly not proud of..part of my sentence was to spend 30 days community service at a home for alcoholics who were in a very bad way. These were succesful, intelligent people for the most part who had lost everything to this sickness...family, homes, all money, etc...They did not suffer from a weakness...they suffer from a disease

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Mental defects or just plain mental weakness maybe. However, I'm definitely not going to lump them in with those who have to suffer through something like cancer through no fault of their own.

You have the same outlook as many people who simply dont understand. Disease is disease whether it is physical, mental or both. Comparing diseases is folly.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

You not think they are diseases?

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

I had a shot of moonshine yesterday....for medicinal perpouses ..

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

I had a shot of moonshine yesterday....for medicinal perpouses ..

LOL...explains the slurring voicemail you left me yesterday.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GPK

LOL...explains the slurring voicemail you left me yesterday.

could have been some fine ladys lifting shirts for beads..

[GPK]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

There are pills out there that if you take them, then drink alcohol, you become very ill.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GPK

There are pills out there that if you take them, then drink alcohol, you become very ill.

Yeah,I mean before you guys get a taste (or feel of it.) Something teenagers at risk for alcoholism get when they go for routine check-ups.Something long-term like Hepatitis B shots are given to hospital workers.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

im sure we can come up with a with a shot for readboarding and outlandish reasoning in regaurds to horses abilitys on the internet.........

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They need to find a gene for alcoholism...Then test people early on for it.If they have it,then find a way to make it objectionable to them the 1st time they try it.You get preventative shots for all kinds of stuff when you're young. Some otherwise harmless enzyme that will react with ethanol to form a slightly acidic compound that tastes poor,but is otherwise not harmful....Cuz these fkrs running people over left n' right has to stop.

Though I agree this would most certainly be helpful, the ACLU would have a field day with it as soon as they have run out of terrorists to defend.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Maybe I'm just real pissy about what happened last night....

But this is a another thread that wore my scroll wheel out.

[Oaklawnfan]

Doesn't Cole Norman's trial start soon?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Though I agree this would most certainly be helpful, the ACLU would have a field day with it as soon as they have run out of terrorists to defend.

Well,if it's a disease, then where is the effort to prevent it?It's not like obesity.People gotta eat.People don't have to drink ethanol.It's a matter of making it a bad experience the 1st time they try it(if they have the gene that makes them addicted to it.) Where are the fkn Mormons when ya need them?