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Old 02-03-2008, 01:12 PM
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Ah... But faith is believing what you can't see...

The faith of whom? Losers?

Only a simplistic guide like the sheets would suggest that Aquarian has run the same race every time.
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:15 PM
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How is Titan of Industry the 5:2 morning line choice in that race? That's just incompetent
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Old 02-03-2008, 01:24 PM
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How is Titan of Industry the 5:2 morning line choice in that race? That's just incompetent

The ML at Gulfstream has been absolutely dreadful on a day to day basis. I just don't understand it.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:40 PM
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I've gone over the form for this race, but I haven't reviewed the replays yet. My eyes need a rest.

On paper I could care less what Alaazo's debut speed figure is. I don't necessarily love precocious 2yo at the 9 furlong distance the following year anyway, so I am forgiving, but hopefully he showed a little talent or potential? At least he won the race and beat 8 monmouth maidens. Not a huge credit, but it isn't exactly a negative. I want to see the replay and see what he looks like. He is bred well and comes from a fairly hot barn.

I look at Aquarian's paper form and he looks solid. In his last 4 races he has had rallying jockeys, and now "today" he gets Velasquez, who I really like at 9 furlongs. His works hint that he has some tactical speed. Another I have to see in the replays, but don't expect to oppose.

Titan Of Industry ran well in his first two races and then held his own in some tough stakes. Nobody was beating Cowboy Cal, but TOI sure didn't embarass himself among the "rest" category. We go 9 furlongs here and Prado has caught my eye a few times, probably won't let TOI fall behind too far. Contender.

Mambo Meister has speed, and he will want the track to continue to move them along as it has been lately. loses the kamikaze jockey Nunez, but figures to be forwardly placed on the stretch out.

further on the fringe is Extreme frolic. has shown some positive signs. One of those "between the lines" horses on paper form his follow up race to his maiden was probably his best dirt race, and his last (turf) may have been a decent "prep" for this. Johnny V. may need to hustle him up on the backstretch to have any chance at a minor purse should the track play to speed.

I don't like Shatuck's paper form, but his breeding and barn warrants a replay review as well.
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Old 02-03-2008, 11:49 PM
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caught Alaazo's replay. He could be very very good, hard to tell. I would like to know more about the the layoff. Poor start blew the first turn, he made headway like he was so much the best, looked like a nice good sized horse, looked nice in the stretch. He has talent and potential based on the replay. Understand the layoff is key.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:21 AM
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caught Alaazo's replay. He could be very very good, hard to tell. I would like to know more about the the layoff. Poor start blew the first turn, he made headway like he was so much the best, looked like a nice good sized horse, looked nice in the stretch. He has talent and potential based on the replay. Understand the layoff is key.

The highlighted part is completely untrue. Anybody that doesn't believe me should watch the race for themselves. He broke just fine.....but dropped back because he has no speed. He did blow the turn and cost himself a couple of lengths of position. From there he had a perfect trip and beat a cheap claimer in a slow race.

Just remember........there are no trips in slow races.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:42 AM
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The highlighted part is completely untrue. Anybody that doesn't believe me should watch the race for themselves. He broke just fine.....but dropped back because he has no speed. He did blow the turn and cost himself a couple of lengths of position. From there he had a perfect trip and beat a cheap claimer in a slow race.

Just remember........there are no trips in slow races.
I agree about the "poor start," there was no such thing.

When looking at the rest of the charts from that day it is quite clear that race was embarassingly slow. I'm sure there was no need to reiterate it, but it is true.

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Old 02-04-2008, 09:41 AM
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The highlighted part is completely untrue. Anybody that doesn't believe me should watch the race for themselves. He broke just fine.....but dropped back because he has no speed. He did blow the turn and cost himself a couple of lengths of position. From there he had a perfect trip and beat a cheap claimer in a slow race.

Just remember........there are no trips in slow races.
Fischer really needs to hone his trip handicapping skills (among other things). And when you quote him, I'm left to read his amateurish assessment of races.

This horse was PUSHED on the backstretch to get into contention in POODLE fractions, and then was all out, under steady whipping to get by the leader in the stretch. Why in the world would anyone want him back; and at a short price too? But understanding the layoff is the key. Uh huh.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:27 PM
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How is Titan of Industry the 5:2 morning line choice in that race? That's just incompetent
Titan of Industry does his best running on the lawn
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