2/2 (GP): Gr. I Donn; Gr. II Swale

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think it's a mistake to discount his performance today. We don't know how good Daaher is in two-turn races when he's facing some pace pressure. Perhaps today's race is indicative of how he'd run everytime he is faced with a scenario like today. When you say he's obviously better than we saw today, you are basing that assumption on having seen him run under totally different conditions today. Before automatically assuming it was just an off day, consider that it might not have been.

This really takes the cake. I'm not saying he's a true 1 1/8th horse but if you think today's performance is a fair indication of Daaher's ability you are flat out wrong. Horses that have run as well as he has in the past don't pack it in the way he did unless there was a problem.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This really takes the cake. I'm not saying he's a true 1 1/8th horse but if you think today's performance is a fair indication of Daaher's ability you are flat out wrong. Horses that have run as well as he has in the past don't pack it in the way he did unless there was a problem.

Wow, you calling me wrong. I didn't expect that at all. We'll see.

For the record, I DO think there was a problem. I think there were two of them actually.

PACE and ANOTHER TURN.

[blackthroatedwind]

Just add this to the list.

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what you know to be true just to initiate conversation.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

For the record, I DO think there was a problem. I think there were two of them actually.

PACE and ANOTHER TURN.

Well played.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

Well played.

All he needs now is for Sumitas to back him up.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just add this to the list.

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what you know to be true just to initiate conversation.

You have a good night.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

You have a good night.

Now that was a good comeback.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wow, you calling me wrong. I didn't expect that at all. We'll see.

For the record, I DO think there was a problem. I think there were two of them actually.

PACE and ANOTHER TURN.

Why are you ignoring his last 3 races, if you saw them no one can say the pace would have affected him to the point of being beaten 20 lengths or so by Spring At Last and more so being outpaced or outstayed by Kiss The kid. Anyway I hope there are many that share this opinion, the better the odds on Daaher the next time he races.

[blackthroatedwind]

I wouldn't be overly optimistic about him racing any time soon.

[Bobby Fischer]

Will be interesting to see how some of these horses are placed in the future. I would like to see Daaher go and take the Mile over in Dubai. I think he has the style for it. Spring at Last doesn't belong in the DWC... maybe we will get a rematch at a mile ?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now that was a good comeback.

Wasn't meant to be. But if you want a good comeback, let's try this:

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what I say just because you don't want to agree with me for fear that it would make you have to acknowledge that other people could be right sometimes.

[CSC]

Probably right there, it wouldn't be much a surprise.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Drinking Walker Black on rocks. Being careful not to chip the ice.

I'll grant the Sumwonluvsyou post was in jest.

No way the Smokey Stover comment was in jest.

Well, here's the Super Frolic thread:

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...688#post259688

I think you're post #16.

Look, it's no big deal. You've offered up one horse pre-race on this board and that was today. So, you're 0 for 1. Unless, of course, you were just "joking" about Brass Hat today as well in which case that makes you 0 for 0.

Either way, that's a record I would take in many years.

It was enjoyable reading your posts, not at all a waste. I'm a big believer in continuing education.

The laptop at Gulfstream is a great idea. I was there today as well, hanging out at Frank's Energy Beach. But I f****d that up. I thought it was clothing optional.

To be honest I cant remember if I have ever hit Super Frolic in a race. I think I was cracking a joke in that post about angels and all that stuff. I am pretty sure that any Smokey Stover comments WERE just busting DrugS balls because he was on that horse before anyone else, and before SS showed how good he was.....DrugS also passed on betting him at like 8-1 last year on Sunshine Millions day. Thats what I was probably getting at.

I did bet BH today. Luckily I was alive in the late pick 4 and if he had won, was "all" into the last. THe horses in the 1st 2 legs were pretty legit. So I didnt need to bet much at all (made a few ex and tri bets). Considering BH was gonna be my big bet for the day, I was happy I came out profitable today. The last 2 at AQU saved my day.

Walked by Frank's Energy Beach a few times.....gotta say one thing about the new GP....if you like to drink it's a great place...you can't walk 20 feet without some sort of bar popping up.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wasn't meant to be. But if you want a good comeback, let's try this:

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what I say just because you don't want to agree with me for fear that it would make you have to acknowledge that other people could be right sometimes.

That's a very convenient response but frankly flat out unfair and an odd cheap shot from you. While obviously I am wrong a fair share of the time, overall the advice I give here is pretty strong, and over time my opinions have proven pretty strong. I take the opposite view of people because I believe they are wrong....and they usually are when I challenge them.

As regards today's races I told people that Fairbanks and Einstein had no chance and I literally begged a poster not to bet heavily favored Wincat in the Swale. I also endorsed the winner of the Whirlaway. Please, regale us with your plethora of pre-race opinions that have come to fruition recently.

I take a stand. And I'll take my chances with my overall record. In fact, I do in a pretty big way on a daily basis.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just add this to the list.

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what you know to be true just to initiate conversation.

Oh Good Christ...

Luckily for him?

For the people like myself who dont get to watch races
and live handicapping all the time, I appreciate the differing
opinions that come with these posts. But now we
enter the realm of handicapping the handicappers intentions...

jeez...

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

if you look on the santa anita thread..i gave out the super high 5 on it..the bet is to pick the top 5 positions at the end of the race..

my ticket payed 12k and yes i did play it.......im no better than anyone here..and dont like squabbling about races ..my opinion was that the 8 brass hat was not a very good play..i tried to explain why..my reasoning didnt seem correct for you..i took down the ball busting stuff because i know it was no big deal in a race like that...i want all dters to do well........anyway good luck stone.........

Well congrats if you did bet it. A nice way to end the card.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Luzzi rode him 100% perfectly. How can you even suggest that the rider had anything to do with it? The horse abdicated going into the turn.

Enough with the jockeys.

I don't think you see Luzzi on this horse again. Obviously the horse didn't run its best effort but Luzzi doing Elliot just doesn't get it done in 'big' races.

[justindew]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

That's a very convenient response but frankly flat out unfair and an odd cheap shot from you. While obviously I am wrong a fair share of the time, overall the advice I give here is pretty strong, and over time my opinions have proven pretty strong. I take the opposite view of people because I believe they are wrong....and they usually are when I challenge them.

As regards today's races I told people that Fairbanks and Einstein had no chance and I literally begged a poster not to bet heavily favored Wincat in the Swale. I also endorsed the winner of the Whirlaway. Please, regale us with your plethora of pre-race opinions that have come to fruition recently.

I take a stand. And I'll take my chances with my overall record. In fact, I do in a pretty big way on a daily basis.

For the record, when Zanjero wins a Grade I, I fully expect BTW will admit he was wrong about the horse.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Will be interesting to see how some of these horses are placed in the future. I would like to see Daaher go and take the Mile over in Dubai. I think he has the style for it. Spring at Last doesn't belong in the DWC... maybe we will get a rematch at a mile ?

Read that Kieran will have him scoped as he was puzzled also, will probably know tommorow if he races anytime soon, but as was stated earlier he probably isn't going to Dubai. Can see him resurfacing in N.Y off one of those long layoff blinders that the Trainer is known for. But who knows now esp with how fragile horses are now.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by justindew

For the record, when Zanjero wins a Grade I, I fully expect BTW will admit he was wrong about the horse.

The day he wins a Grade 1 will be a very sad day for the thoroughbred.