2/2 (GP): Gr. I Donn; Gr. II Swale

CSC · #1 02-02-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard

Did he like Spring at Last ?

If so I will congratulate him. I asked him his opinion of the race and he was afraid to say anything.

Not sure why.

Congrats to all who had Spring At Last definitely he was the correct trip horse today. Obviously Daheer is not as bad to be beaten by a pole at the finish. I think it's best to put a line through this performance.

King Glorious · #2 02-02-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Congrats to all who had Spring At Last definitely he was the correct trip horse today. But then again were no Curlin's in the race today...Obviously Daheer is not that bad to be beaten by a pole at the finish. I think it's best to put a line through this performance.

I think it's a mistake to discount his performance today. We don't know how good Daaher is in two-turn races when he's facing some pace pressure. Perhaps today's race is indicative of how he'd run everytime he is faced with a scenario like today. When you say he's obviously better than we saw today, you are basing that assumption on having seen him run under totally different conditions today. Before automatically assuming it was just an off day, consider that it might not have been.

VOL JACK · #3 02-02-2008, 10:48 PM

BEYERS: Spring at Last 107.
Eaton's Gift 93.
Referee 90

hurricanefrank · #4 02-02-2008, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think it's a mistake to discount his performance today. We don't know how good Daaher is in two-turn races when he's facing some pace pressure. Perhaps today's race is indicative of how he'd run everytime he is faced with a scenario like today. When you say he's obviously better than we saw today, you are basing that assumption on having seen him run under totally different conditions today. Before automatically assuming it was just an off day, consider that it might not have been.

I'll second that. I singled him on my Pick 4 ticket not concerned about the distance vs that field. After today I am thinking he's a one turn miler.

CSC · #5 02-02-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think it's a mistake to discount his performance today. We don't know how good Daaher is in two-turn races when he's facing some pace pressure. Perhaps today's race is indicative of how he'd run everytime he is faced with a scenario like today. When you say he's obviously better than we saw today, you are basing that assumption on having seen him run under totally different conditions today. Before automatically assuming it was just an off day, consider that it might not have been.

That's a fair point Before automatically assuming it was just an off day, consider that it might not have been

However, since this horse has been fitted with blinkers he has shown a high cruising speed with an ability to finish off races. If those previous 3 races were true including the 2 turn effort at the Spa, it would be reasonable to suggest he shouldn't have faded like a cheap pair of jeans like he did today. It doesn't make sense. The fractions were honest but not suicidal as evidenced by Kiss The Kid hanging on for a piece. I think something wasn't right with him today, it's a gut call horseplayers have to make at times. Drawing a line through a performance.

blackthroatedwind · #6 02-02-2008, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think it's a mistake to discount his performance today. We don't know how good Daaher is in two-turn races when he's facing some pace pressure. Perhaps today's race is indicative of how he'd run everytime he is faced with a scenario like today. When you say he's obviously better than we saw today, you are basing that assumption on having seen him run under totally different conditions today. Before automatically assuming it was just an off day, consider that it might not have been.

This really takes the cake. I'm not saying he's a true 1 1/8th horse but if you think today's performance is a fair indication of Daaher's ability you are flat out wrong. Horses that have run as well as he has in the past don't pack it in the way he did unless there was a problem.

King Glorious · #7 02-02-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This really takes the cake. I'm not saying he's a true 1 1/8th horse but if you think today's performance is a fair indication of Daaher's ability you are flat out wrong. Horses that have run as well as he has in the past don't pack it in the way he did unless there was a problem.

Wow, you calling me wrong. I didn't expect that at all. We'll see.

For the record, I DO think there was a problem. I think there were two of them actually.

PACE and ANOTHER TURN.

blackthroatedwind · #8 02-02-2008, 11:20 PM

Just add this to the list.

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what you know to be true just to initiate conversation.

King Glorious · #9 02-02-2008, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just add this to the list.

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what you know to be true just to initiate conversation.

You have a good night.

blackthroatedwind · #10 02-02-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

You have a good night.

Now that was a good comeback.

#11 02-02-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Just add this to the list.

Luckily for you, I know you just post the opposite of what you know to be true just to initiate conversation.

Oh Good Christ...

Luckily for him?

For the people like myself who dont get to watch races
and live handicapping all the time, I appreciate the differing
opinions that come with these posts. But now we
enter the realm of handicapping the handicappers intentions...

jeez...

justindew · #12 02-02-2008, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

For the record, I DO think there was a problem. I think there were two of them actually.

PACE and ANOTHER TURN.

Well played.

blackthroatedwind · #13 02-02-2008, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by justindew

Well played.

All he needs now is for Sumitas to back him up.

Bobby Fischer · #14 02-02-2008, 11:29 PM

Will be interesting to see how some of these horses are placed in the future. I would like to see Daaher go and take the Mile over in Dubai. I think he has the style for it. Spring at Last doesn't belong in the DWC... maybe we will get a rematch at a mile ?

CSC · #15 02-02-2008, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

Will be interesting to see how some of these horses are placed in the future. I would like to see Daaher go and take the Mile over in Dubai. I think he has the style for it. Spring at Last doesn't belong in the DWC... maybe we will get a rematch at a mile ?

Read that Kieran will have him scoped as he was puzzled also, will probably know tommorow if he races anytime soon, but as was stated earlier he probably isn't going to Dubai. Can see him resurfacing in N.Y off one of those long layoff blinders that the Trainer is known for. But who knows now esp with how fragile horses are now.

CSC · #16 02-02-2008, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

Wow, you calling me wrong. I didn't expect that at all. We'll see.

For the record, I DO think there was a problem. I think there were two of them actually.

PACE and ANOTHER TURN.

Why are you ignoring his last 3 races, if you saw them no one can say the pace would have affected him to the point of being beaten 20 lengths or so by Spring At Last and more so being outpaced or outstayed by Kiss The kid. Anyway I hope there are many that share this opinion, the better the odds on Daaher the next time he races.

blackthroatedwind · #17 02-02-2008, 11:28 PM

I wouldn't be overly optimistic about him racing any time soon.

CSC · #18 02-02-2008, 11:30 PM

Probably right there, it wouldn't be much a surprise.

King Glorious · #19 02-02-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Why are you ignoring his last 3 races, if you saw them no one can say the pace would have affected him to the point of being beaten 20 lengths or so by Spring At Last and more so being outpaced or outstayed by Kiss The kid. Anyway I hope there are many that share this opinion, the better the odds on Daaher the next time he races.

I'm not ignoring them at all. Why would you say "if you saw them" as if to suggest that I didn't? I did and I don't come to the same conclusion as you do. If anyone is ignoring anything, it's you. That's not meant to be critical of you at all though. But think about it. Which of his last three races presented circumstances anywhere close to what he faced today? None of them. Go look at Kiss the Kid's record. He's shown a couple of wins at 8.5f and one at 1m, 70 yds. He's also shown on several occasions that, while he did weaken late, he held up decently well at distances well over a mile. Daaher, for any number of reasons, the fact is that he's now run three two-turn stakes races and hasn't come close to being effective.

In any case, the opinion that I'm giving is NOT that this was a true indication of how Daaher would perform under today's circumstances. There could very well be something wrong with him. I was only saying that before automatically assuming there is and writing this race off, consider that there might not be.

CSC · #20 02-02-2008, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm not ignoring them at all. Why would you say "if you saw them" as if to suggest that I didn't? I did and I don't come to the same conclusion as you do. If anyone is ignoring anything, it's you. That's not meant to be critical of you at all though. But think about it. Which of his last three races presented circumstances anywhere close to what he faced today? None of them. Go look at Kiss the Kid's record. He's shown a couple of wins at 8.5f and one at 1m, 70 yds. He's also shown on several occasions that, while he did weaken late, he held up decently well at distances well over a mile. Daaher, for any number of reasons, the fact is that he's now run three two-turn stakes races and hasn't come close to being effective.

In any case, the opinion that I'm giving is NOT that this was a true indication of how Daaher would perform under today's circumstances. There could very well be something wrong with him. I was only saying that before automatically assuming there is and writing this race off, consider that there might not be.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way, but the bases seem to be loaded(covered)with this post. True his races in Canada were not overly impressive it is also fair to say at that stage of his career he was not the horse he is today. While I agree to a point he still has to prove he can run at as well at a mile to a mile and an eighth, today was not the day to make that determination.