O/U: how many times

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The world is in trouble when our college students are extensively quoting and using as a basis of fact youtube videos and Wikipedia. You do understand that Youtube and Wikipedia are not exactly credibile sources of information and are full of hidden agendas? I understand that you obviously are a typical university liberal who simply see what you want to see and is enamored into thinking that your intellect is so far superior to "mainstream" America that you have disdain for it. So Bin Laden's version is the "truth" and a Japanese politician who doesnt even understand puts and calls is credibile but our govt is corrupt? The reason that David Frost didnt respond to Bhutto's assertions that Bin Laden was murdered wasnt some vast western coverup but engaging her on it reduces her credibility and makes her look like a fool. Kind of like you.

If you bothered to read IDs assessment of bin Laden, it was correct.

PNAC was created by our government before 9/11. In the document, states the need to secure valuable resources from the Middle East. You can find that document anywhere and read it. That is a factual document on our foreign policy. You can find it on Wikipedia, within the archives of our government...anywhere. It is just laid out in an easier format to read on Wikipedia, which I thought would be best.

Also, quit saying false statements just because they fit your argument. A single Japanese politician did not say those things about 9/11. Just about every member within that Parliament agreed with him that they needed to carry out an investigation starting from the beginning because there were too many holes. He just led the attack.

Nowhere did I say the Jap's version was the truth either. I just said that some of their accusations are a possibility. I threw the notions out there as a test to see how open-minded the people on this board were...well, I got my answer. I would be a lot happier if these accusations were proven to be false, despite you saying that I see what I want to see.

I am a scientist. I am a realist. Fantasy worlds are for the weak. As a scientist, I must be very open-minded. I look at problems from every possible angle with an unbiased perspective. If you choose to not acknowledge these things and ignore them, then continue to live in your fantasy world that they NEVER could have occurred. Continue to believe that the U.S. couldn't possibly torture people despite Canada putting us on their torture list, and despite the White House destroying tapes of interrogations against the Supreme Court's wishes. Continue to believe that our government couldn't possibly be negligent with 9/11. I will not, because a possibilty exists to the contrary. I will reserve judgment until the proper investigations are performed, but I will not sit there and stupidly think that it never could have happened.

It is the opposite. You see what you want to see.

And just for the record, I am very conservative and go to one of the top ranked universities in the world. The average entering freshman GPA is a 4.33.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

If you bothered to read IDs assessment of bin Laden, it was correct.

PNAC was created by our government before 9/11. In the document, states the need to secure valuable resources from the Middle East. You can find that document anywhere and read it. That is a factual document on our foreign policy. You can find it on Wikipedia, within the archives of our government...anywhere. It is just laid out in an easier format to read on Wikipedia, which I thought would be best.

Also, quit saying false statements just because they fit your argument. A single Japanese politician did not say those things about 9/11. Just about every member within that Parliament agreed with him that they needed to carry out an investigation starting from the beginning because there were too many holes. He just led the attack.

Nowhere did I say the Jap's version was the truth either. I just said that some of their accusations are a possibility. I threw the notions out there as a test to see how open-minded the people on this board were...well, I got my answer. I would be a lot happier if these accusations were proven to be false, despite you saying that I see what I want to see.

It is the opposite. You see what you want to see.

I am a scientist. I am a realist. Fantasy worlds are for the weak. As a scientist, I must be very open-minded. I look at problems from every possible angle with an unbiased perspective. If you choose to not acknowledge these things and ignore them, then continue to live in your fantasy world that they NEVER could have occurred. Continue to believe that the U.S. couldn't possibly torture people despite Canada putting us on their torture list, and despite the White House destroying tapes of interrogations against the Supreme Court's wishes. Continue to believe that our government wasn't negligent with 9/11. I will not, because a possibilty exists to the contrary. I will reserve judgment until the proper investigations are performed, but I will not sit there and stupidly think that it never could have happened.

It is the opposite. You see what you want to see.

And just for the record, I am very conservative and go to one of the top ranked universities in the world. The average entering freshman GPA is a 4.33.

I believe that you are in danger of being placed on the torture list

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that you are in danger of being placed on the torture list

^^^ Spent a night in the box after insisting he was the Cap'n.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

If you bothered to read IDs assessment of bin Laden, it was correct.

PNAC was created by our government before 9/11. In the document, states the need to secure valuable resources from the Middle East. You can find that document anywhere and read it. That is a factual document on our foreign policy. You can find it on Wikipedia, within the archives of our government...anywhere. It is just laid out in an easier format to read on Wikipedia, which I thought would be best.

Also, quit saying false statements just because they fit your argument. A single Japanese politician did not say those things about 9/11. Just about every member within that Parliament agreed with him that they needed to carry out an investigation starting from the beginning because there were too many holes. He just led the attack.

Nowhere did I say the Jap's version was the truth either. I just said that some of their accusations are a possibility. I threw the notions out there as a test to see how open-minded the people on this board were...well, I got my answer. I would be a lot happier if these accusations were proven to be false, despite you saying that I see what I want to see.
I am a scientist. I am a realist. Fantasy worlds are for the weak. As a scientist, I must be very open-minded. I look at problems from every possible angle with an unbiased perspective. If you choose to not acknowledge these things and ignore them, then continue to live in your fantasy world that they NEVER could have occurred. Continue to believe that the U.S. couldn't possibly torture people despite Canada putting us on their torture list, and despite the White House destroying tapes of interrogations against the Supreme Court's wishes. Continue to believe that our government couldn't possibly be negligent with 9/11. I will not, because a possibilty exists to the contrary. I will reserve judgment until the proper investigations are performed, but I will not sit there and stupidly think that it never could have happened.

It is the opposite. You see what you want to see.

And just for the record, I am very conservative and go to one of the top ranked universities in the world. The average entering freshman GPA is a 4.33.

that makes no sense. you posted a link, then say you didn't post it as being true, but that you hoped it would be proven false? how do you come up with that? if you don't think something has legs, why post it to prove a point, only to then say that it may not be able to make YOUR point?!
as for posting the gpa average for the school you attend, so what. it doesn't make your skewed logic somehow more palatable.

[Danzig]

as an aside, i'm fascinated when someone proclaims themself to be 'color blind'... and then uses the term Jap for instance.

[Mortimer]

I think PillowPants' version of her was much better.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

that makes no sense. you posted a link, then say you didn't post it as being true, but that you hoped it would be proven false? how do you come up with that? if you don't think something has legs, why post it to prove a point, only to then say that it may not be able to make YOUR point?!
as for posting the gpa average for the school you attend, so what. it doesn't make your skewed logic somehow more palatable.

Here, let me spell it out for you since you are having a hard time deciphering my posts.

I posted the video. It was up to YOU to make your OWN decision about the contents in the video. I witheld judgment. My main point: I would have thought that this story would have been circulating throughout the U.S. media because it is fairly significant. And that I hoped the Japanese were wrong in their accusations about the U.S.

And as far as the Jap statement goes...It was an abbreviation. I didn't mean it in a derogatory way at all.

Also, you were wrong about Congress approving to go to war in Iraq. The bill for the declaration of war with Iraq never went to Congress.

And anyone who thinks incompetence to be the reason for the Bush Administration's statements regarding Iraq...well, I'll keep that opinion to myself. And like incompetence is any better anyway! So, how do you explain the Bush Administration's lies by saying that they never said their original lies....all of this is in documents and on national television BTW? I guess that was incompetence too... lol.

And you say my logic is skewed!?!

Insulting my intelligence or my college won't get you anywhere. Nor will implying that I am a racist get you anywhere. By the way, I date an Asian. Just because you can't understand what I am trying to say, does not make me wrong.

Also, you haven't answered any of my questions. Of course, I knew they were rhetorical when I first asked them.

[Mortimer]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Here, let me spell it out for you since you are having a hard time deciphering my posts.

I posted the video. It was up to YOU to make your OWN decision about the contents in the video. I witheld judgment. My main point: I would have thought that this story would have been circulating throughout the U.S. media because it is fairly significant. And that I hoped the Japanese were wrong in their accusations about the U.S.

And as far as the Jap statement goes...It was an abbreviation. I didn't mean it in a derogatory way at all.

Also, you were wrong about Congress approving to go to war in Iraq. The bill for the declaration of war with Iraq never went to Congress.

And anyone who thinks incompetence to be the reason for the Bush Administration's statements regarding Iraq...well, I'll keep that opinion to myself. And like incompetence is any better anyway! So, how do you explain the Bush Administration's lies by saying that they never said their original lies....all of this is in documents and on national television BTW? I guess that was incompetence too... lol.

And you say my logic is skewed!?!

Insulting my intelligence or my college won't get you anywhere. Nor will implying that I am a racist get you anywhere. By the way, I date an Asian. Just because you can't understand what I am trying to say, does not make me wrong.

Also, you haven't answered any of my questions. Of course, I knew they were rhetorical when I first asked them.

Send the darned photos ma'am!!

[Mortimer]

Mr. Drugster..sir.



I hate to say this...but you're nuts.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

My seemingly unlogical approach has proven right every single step of the way - while all the approaches everyone else has gone with have been proven wrong every step of the way.

Mortimer, in international politics, there are no such things as facts. No such things as experts.

The second best approach to mine - I believe is to simply listen to the conclusions of the so called experts and just assume the complete opposite will prove true.

It so often does.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I should clarify by saying "every single step of the way" - I mean two steps.

My record is 2-0.
The experts and our govt are 0-2 so far.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

My seemingly unlogical approach has proven right every single step of the way - while all the approaches everyone else has gone with have been proven wrong every step of the way.

Mortimer, in international politics, there are no such things as facts. No such things as experts.

The second best approach to mine - I believe is to simply listen to the conclusions of the so called experts and just assume the complete opposite will prove true.

It so often does.

I'll give you permission to use my name in your signature with that statement because I am proud to date who I date. He is a man of prestige and is very well-respected in his field of work. The whole world can know it!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Here, let me spell it out for you since you are having a hard time deciphering my posts.

I posted the video. It was up to YOU to make your OWN decision about the contents in the video. I witheld judgment. My main point: I would have thought that this story would have been circulating throughout the U.S. media because it is fairly significant. And that I hoped the Japanese were wrong in their accusations about the U.S.

And as far as the Jap statement goes...It was an abbreviation. I didn't mean it in a derogatory way at all.

Also, you were wrong about Congress approving to go to war in Iraq. The bill for the declaration of war with Iraq never went to Congress.

And anyone who thinks incompetence to be the reason for the Bush Administration's statements regarding Iraq...well, I'll keep that opinion to myself. And like incompetence is any better anyway! So, how do you explain the Bush Administration's lies by saying that they never said their original lies....all of this is in documents and on national television BTW? I guess that was incompetence too... lol.

And you say my logic is skewed!?!

Insulting my intelligence or my college won't get you anywhere. Nor will implying that I am a racist get you anywhere. By the way, I date an Asian. Just because you can't understand what I am trying to say, does not make me wrong.

Also, you haven't answered any of my questions. Of course, I knew they were rhetorical when I first asked them.

i've never had a hard time deciphering your posts. i always thought they were blather, and nothing has ever forced me to rethink that opinion. the run on sentences, with missing words, the leap in paragraph from one thought to another....all incredibly painful.

but as far as the japanese story not getting circulated here...maybe everyone (but you) recognized it as being a bunch of bullsh!t.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i've never had a hard time deciphering your posts. i always thought they were blather, and nothing has ever forced me to rethink that opinion. the run on sentences, with missing words, the leap in paragraph from one thought to another....all incredibly painful.

but as far as the japanese story not getting circulated here...maybe everyone (but you) recognized it as being a bunch of bullsh!t.

You mean like you did in this post...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You mean like you did in this post...

yeah, sure...like that.


only i keep mine brief, to the point. rather than trying so hard to be an intellectual, and coming off as pretentious instead.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yeah, sure...like that.


only i keep mine brief, to the point. rather than trying so hard to be an intellectual, and coming off as pretentious instead.

That's just your opinion, which you are entitled to.

At least I didn't say that Congress declared war on Iraq...