Just give Bernardini HOY

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

How was his time? I am not saying he won't get HOY, but let's not hand it out until after the BCC.

You don't need to know the time. It was that impressive.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by boldruler

You don't need to know the time. It was that impressive.

after seeing the question, and this answer, i checked out todays charts. one other race, the third, was run at the same distance(he'sanoldsalt won, corinthian was third). and they ran about the same time, 1:50:26. bernardini was 1:50:50. now i do think that our future HOY should have been able to beat saltys time. but i could be wrong.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

after seeing the question, and this answer, i checked out todays charts. one other race, the third, was run at the same distance(he'sanoldsalt won, corinthian was third). and they ran about the same time, 1:50:26. bernardini was 1:50:50. now i do think that our future HOY should have been able to beat saltys time. but i could be wrong.

He was well in hand..and on cruise.. But, your point is well taken. A really nice horse, but this was a pretty weak field, so let's just wait and see.

Ez

[Danzig]

i still don't think the field was weak. god knows we've seen weaker. now some are lightly raced, with some only having two races under their belts before today....but bernardini is lightly raced as well. he was certainly head and shoulders over these guys today.
sunriver has now struggled twice over an off track, i doubt they run him over such in the future.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

after seeing the question, and this answer, i checked out todays charts. one other race, the third, was run at the same distance(he'sanoldsalt won, corinthian was third). and they ran about the same time, 1:50:26. bernardini was 1:50:50. now i do think that our future HOY should have been able to beat saltys time. but i could be wrong.

Time meant nothing in that race. It was literally a workout for him. There was zero effort made by him.

[Danzig]

lol....

sure. of course had his time been a bit faster than hesanoldsalt rather than a bit slower, you'd have been posting that for all to see.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol....

sure. of course had his time been a bit faster than hesanoldsalt rather than a bit slower, you'd have been posting that for all to see.

How can time mean anything when you win by 9 in a jog. There was no effort made by the horse. If he didn't already have a huge number under his belt I could see arguing it, but an AP Indy is only going to get better as the year goes on. They all do.

[Buffymommy]

It was a very nice race and impressive. Not ready to give him HOY yet, maybe if he does the name in the Travers...

[miraja2]

It was a real good race. No question. The horses he beat weren't much, but he beat them so easily that I was impressed. But just give him HOY? I don't think so. The best horse he has beaten so far was a tired Sweetnorthernsaint. Buffy is right. If he strolls through the Travers like this, then I say let the HOY talk BEGIN. Before then....I say its premature.
My $ is still on Flower Alley.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

lol....

sure. of course had his time been a bit faster than hesanoldsalt rather than a bit slower, you'd have been posting that for all to see.

So is your point that Salt is better than Bernardini? The Jim Dandy was run on a sloppy track and the allowance was run on a good track, not to mention that Bernardini was never once asked for anything.

It's amazing that this horse went off at 3/5 with all the skeptics out there. Nothing this horse does is good enough. Every one of his wins has to have qualifiers attached to it - he beat tired horses, he loved the slop, he beat nothing. Why is it only Bernardini's races that are looked at under a microscope?

I'm sorry that there are those who simply can not concede that this is a very good horse without adding "but" to it.

[Danzig]

no betsy, i'm not saying that. what i wrote was that his time was comparable to an allowance race--that a horse supposedly on the cusp of hoy probably should have had a better time, not slower...

i said i don't know how many times now that i thought this horse ran a great race today. however, my point was that he isn't yet HOY worthy. i haven't attached any qualifiers to his race, i haven't said the comp was weak as others have, i haven't said one bad thing about the horse. if you want to read something that isn't between the lines, help yourself.

[Gander]

He looked awesome today and unfortunately the competiton in the Travers wont be much better than today, with the exception of Strong Contender. This horse is the goods, but lets not give him HOY off of this paid public workout. The other horses were an absolute utter mess today.