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[Cannon Shell]

This thread is a sign of why out of 275 million people in this country we have come up with this pitiful collection of canidates. Bashing Bush is typical but Abe Lincoln? Ron Paul as a legitimate canidate? A guy from the People's Republic of California making fun of other states? A call for isolationism? No wonder everything seems ****ed up. Americans are idiots.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This thread is a sign of why out of 275 million people in this country we have come up with this pitiful collection of canidates. Bashing Bush is typical but Abe Lincoln? Ron Paul as a legitimate canidate? A guy from the People's Republic of California making fun of other states? A call for isolationism? No wonder everything seems ****ed up. Americans are idiots.

Ron Paul might be a fringe candidate - but he's the only person even remotely conservative in the race.

However, it is pretty rich that someone who calls Ron Paul "a guy from the peoples republic of California" (he's Pennyslvania born - and is a long time Texas congressman from Tom DeLay's old district) goes on to say "Americans are idiots."

Obviously, everything is screwed up because of a disregard for what you want to label as isolationisim.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Ron Paul might be a fringe candidate - but he's the only person even remotely conservative in the race.

However, it is pretty rich that someone who calls Ron Paul "a guy from the peoples republic of California" (he's Pennyslvania born - and is a long time Texas congressman from Tom DeLay's old district) goes on to say "Americans are idiots."

Obviously, everything is screwed up because of a disregard for what you want to label as isolationisim.

SCUDSBROTHER is Ron Paul? Holy ****!!!

[Cannon Shell]

Isolationism is like this. You buy a house in a nice neighborhood. You spend all your time fixing it up and making improvements without regard for you neighbors. One day you look outside the window and the old "nice" neighborhood is gone, the old neighbors are gone and the area is turning into a ghetto. Well it's too late for you and your nice house to change things now. You are now on an island and pretty soon your nice house will be dragged down like the rest of the neighborhood. The world is now effectively a global economy and terrorism is not limited to distant shores. Many people forget that in the late 30's an overwhelming number of Americans did not want to participate in WW2 feeling that Hitler was Europe's problem. Blaming American foreign policy for terrorism is like blaming the rape victim for wearing suggestive clothing.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

terrorism is not limited to distant shores. Many people forget that in the late 30's an overwhelming number of Americans did not want to participate in WW2 feeling that Hitler was Europe's problem. Blaming American foreign policy for terrorism is like blaming the rape victim for wearing suggestive clothing.

I don't agree with you at all.

The Al Qadia network is the only terrorist orginization that is a remotely serious threat to us - and they want us and need us in Iraq. It's the only way they have a shot against us - and if we leave - they will make a spastic effort to bait us back.

If we leave - it would be DISASTROUS for them. If bin Laden and Zuhwari really thought that the 9/11 attack could lead into duel invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq - with Iraq the primary focus - I think they might be a pair of remarkable tactic geniuses.

Pulling 9/11 off would seem a VERY small accomplishment compared to fulfilling the ultimate goal of their '96 Fatwa - even if they baited us into perfection to doing exactly what they wanted - it's up to them to pull off the impossible of "defeating capitalisim just as we defeated communism."

bin Laden played a huge role in the Afghanistan occupation that led to the demise of the old Soviet Union. If his networks attacks on 9/11 could trigger America into an occupation that leads to our nations demise - rightly or wrongly, he will be seen as the most major link in the demise of the two world super powers.

I think it's pretty clear he will stop at nothing to keep us in Iraq.

The smart thing to do is to make a full effort to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and weaken his network. He is a threat.

You can't clean up Iraq - it's always going to be a country with corrupt **** eating 3rd world leaders who deserve to die like Suddam.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't agree with you at all.

The Al Qadia network is the only terrorist orginization that is a remotely serious threat to us - and they want us and need us in Iraq. It's the only way they have a shot against us - and if we leave - they will make a spastic effort to bait us back.

If we leave - it would be DISASTROUS for them. If bin Laden and Zuhwari really thought that the 9/11 attack could lead into duel invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq - with Iraq the primary focus - I think they might be a pair of remarkable tactic geniuses.

Pulling 9/11 off would seem a VERY small accomplishment compared to fulfilling the ultimate goal of their '96 Fatwa - even if they baited us into perfection to doing exactly what they wanted - it's up to them to pull off the impossible of "defeating capitalisim just as we defeated communism."

bin Laden played a huge role in the Afghanistan occupation that led to the demise of the old Soviet Union. If his networks attacks on 9/11 could trigger America into an occupation that leads to our nations demise - rightly or wrongly, he will be seen as the most major link in the demise of the two world super powers.

I think it's pretty clear he will stop at nothing to keep us in Iraq.

The smart thing to do is to make a full effort to capture or kill Osama bin Laden and weaken his network. He is a threat.

You can't clean up Iraq - it's always going to be a country with corrupt **** eating 3rd world leaders who deserve to die like Suddam.

What exactly dont you agree with? And I didnt know that you role included CIA agent with information about terror organizations ability to strike against us? And where did I say anything about Iraq? We have bases all over the world, not just Iraq. Like it or not isolationism not only cant work, it is impossible to accomplish.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What exactly dont you agree with?

Invading Iraq for starters. And now, staying there.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And I didnt know that you role included CIA agent with information about terror organizations ability to strike against us?

You don't need to be a CIA agent to have a morsel of common sense. Osama bin Laden was never some sh!t eating angry Arab radical.

He had A LOT of money, he had A LOT of people who idolized him, he had a country to escape to where he was a beloved hero, he was a Mushahadeen legend, he is a tremendously intelligent, calm, soft spoken man, most importantly, he had an infrastructure and an easy time recruiting.

He publicly declared War on us - and had his declaration widely circulated before he started his War.

You really think there are others like him? He is not a dime a dozen person, rather he is a once in several lifetimes kind of figure.

You have to get rid of him ASAP - and stop pretending there are others like him. There aren't.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And where did I say anything about Iraq?

You brought up your Isolationisim label. Remember?

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

We have bases all over the world, not just Iraq. Like it or not isolationism not only cant work, it is impossible to accomplish.

I know we have bases all over the world - not just in arab countries.

Why not just be honest, stop with the labels, and say you're in favor of giving away big handouts, aid, and favors to all governments who want to be our pals - but if a country doesn't want to play ball with us - you want there cage rattled.

But hey, I just hope I'm doing a good enough job to get KYRIM all moist.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Isolationism is like this. You buy a house in a nice neighborhood. You spend all your time fixing it up and making improvements without regard for you neighbors. One day you look outside the window and the old "nice" neighborhood is gone, the old neighbors are gone and the area is turning into a ghetto. Well it's too late for you and your nice house to change things now. You are now on an island and pretty soon your nice house will be dragged down like the rest of the neighborhood. The world is now effectively a global economy and terrorism is not limited to distant shores. Many people forget that in the late 30's an overwhelming number of Americans did not want to participate in WW2 feeling that Hitler was Europe's problem. Blaming American foreign policy for terrorism is like blaming the rape victim for wearing suggestive clothing.

You are exactly right. I agree with you 100%.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

SCUDSBROTHER is Ron Paul? Holy ****!!!

I read past his posts - and was really just angling to win a date with KYRIM.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I read past his posts - and was really just angling to win a date with KYRIM.

As long he doesnt bring up Turkish policy they will be fine