Some top W/E BSF's..

[The Bid]

Yes, but they arent going to show an affinity for the horses that line up in the gate with them. Big difference in Bilo and BBQ Ed and some of the horses we are talking about here. Lets not compare chocolate icecream to s h it

[AeWingnut]

track variant of?

-250

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I put them in there mostly because of the BC at Santa Anita this year. Greg's Gold and In Summation have definitely shown an affinity for the track.

I think that's a very valid point. Look at Idiot Proof and Gotcha Gold last year at Monmouth as examples. Neither of them world beaters but had shown great form on Monmouth's track and both of them finished in the exacta in their BC races. I think that it would be a mistake to dismiss either Greg's Gold or especially In Summation over the SA surface.

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think that's a very valid point. Look at Idiot Proof and Gotcha Gold last year at Monmouth as examples. Neither of them world beaters but had shown great form on Monmouth's track and both of them finished in the exacta in their BC races. I think that it would be a mistake to dismiss either Greg's Gold or especially In Summation over the SA surface.

Who knows what the SA surface will be come BC day?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I think that's a very valid point. Look at Idiot Proof and Gotcha Gold last year at Monmouth as examples. Neither of them world beaters but had shown great form on Monmouth's track and both of them finished in the exacta in their BC races. I think that it would be a mistake to dismiss either Greg's Gold or especially In Summation over the SA surface.

Idiot Proof is a very nice sprinter, but he's much better on dirt than poly/cushion.

He's being shipped to Turf Paradise for his next start. I think they finally realized he's not the same horse on false tracks.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by philcski

The A One Rocket comment brings back a lot of bad memories about IEAH. This one, however, (I think) is legit.


A congratulations is in order to my man The Bid who found this horse for IEAH...

I think The Bid read my post on this board about Benny being more impressive than Fabulous Strike when both won races at Churchill in the same week. I also seem to remember some PMs going back and forth about him, but I'm not 100% positive. Seeing that this may have led to a known cheater getting a very good horse, I see no reason to make such posts in the future.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I think The Bid read my post on this board about Benny being more impressive than Fabulous Strike when both won races at Churchill in the same week. I also seem to remember some PMs going back and forth about him, but I'm not 100% positive. Seeing that this may have led to a known cheater getting a very good horse, I see no reason to make such posts in the future.

Nah, don't pat yourself on the back too hard. He had told me about the horse after his N1x win and preliminary talks were already underway.

[Kasept]

Complete BSF list from Ilman/FormBlog:

Sunshine Millions Sprint (GP): Benny the Bull (R. Dutrow Jr./E. Prado) - 115

*Sunshine Millions Dash (SA): Bob Black Jack (J. Kasparoff/D. Flores) - 109
*Sunshine Millions Distaff (GP): Ginger Punch (R. Frankel/R. Bejarano) - 109
*Sunshine Millions Classic (SA): Go Between (W. Mott/G. Gomez) - 106
*Sunshine Millions Turf (GP): War Monger (W. Mott/K. Desormeaux) - 100

*G Malleah (TuP): Trail This (R. Score/R. Eikleberry) - 97
*Sunshine Millions Filly and Mare Turf (SA): Quite a Bride (W. Mott/G. Gomez) - 95
*Maxxam Gold Cup (Hou): Reporting for Duty (S. Asmussen/L. Quinonez) - 95
*Kachina (TuP): Rivotella (B. Wright/G. Corbett) - 95
*Appleton (GP): Buffalo Man (C. Gambolati/E. Prado) - 94
*Lord Snowdon (Aqu): Lord Snowdon (A. Dutrow/R. Dominguez) - 94
*Turnofthecentury (Aqu): Run With the Lark (R. Schosberg/N. Arroyo Jr.) - 94
*Hangonslewpyhangon (TuP): Billy Allen - Ire (K. Bennett/C. Landeros) - 93
*Sunshine Millions Filly and Mare Sprint (SA): Dearest Trickski (J. Sadler/M. Smith) - 91
*Le Grande Pos (Pha): Banjo Picker (S. Krebs/T. Hemmings) - 90
*Sam Houston Distaff (Hou): Buy the Barrel (J. Jones/G. Saez) - 90
*Nellie Morse (Lrl): Wild Hoots (K. McLaughlin/M. Pino) - 90

*Sunshine Millions Oaks (GP): American County (D. Romans/E. Prado) - 87
*Forego (TP): Forest Blue (S. Ritter/V. Lebron) - 86
*Dixie Belle (OP): Kadira (D. Vance/L. Quinonez) - 84 (*Rated Fiesty earned an 85, but was dq'd from first to third)
*Smarty Jones (OP): Liberty Bull (T. Amoss/E. Razo Jr.) - 84
*El Paso Times (Sun): Snake Proof (H. Dominguez/A. Martinez) - 84
*Invitational (PM): Mystic Wood (R. Stevenson/A. Gutierrez) - 83
*Happy Princess (Aqu): Devil House (B. Levine/C. Lopez) - 81
*Marie G. Krantz Memorial (FG): Autobahn Girl (M. Pierce/P. Husbands) - 80

*California Derby (GG): Yankee Bravo (P. Gallagher/A. Solis) - 74

*Pepsi Cola (Sun): Brax (C. Lambert/C. Lambert) - 68

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by philcski

Nah, don't pat yourself on the back too hard. He had told me about the horse after his N1x win and preliminary talks were already underway.

It was mostly tongue in cheek.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Kasept

*Sunshine Millions Distaff (GP): Ginger Punch (R. Frankel/R. Bejarano) - 109

I think this one is too high, though it probably makes DrugS feel a little better.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

It was mostly tongue in cheek.

cool... (and i don't like dutrow getting horses either by the way)

[The Bid]

I respect Phil and CJ a great deal. Phil I know personally, and CJ I have spoken to a few times in private

I think pursuit was started about three weeks leading up to this thread.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ght=Benny+bull

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I respect Phil and CJ a great deal. Phil I know personally, and CJ I have spoken to a few times in private

I think pursuit was started about three weeks leading up to this thread.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...ght=Benny+bull

Yeah I remember that thread. I was going to make a huge bet on Benny on your sayso but DisappearingDan sent me a PM telling me the horse was lame.

[The Bid]

I wish I had a couple lame ones like that. When mine are lame they cant get out of the stall

[MISTERGEE]

isnt bob black jack time of 1:06 2/5 a beyer # of about 158, which would mean the variant is about a minus 50?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

isnt bob black jack time of 1:06 2/5 a beyer # of about 158, which would mean the variant is about a minus 50?

I feel like he told me it was a minus 47.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

isnt bob black jack time of 1:06 2/5 a beyer # of about 158, which would mean the variant is about a minus 50?

Sounds about right... old days SA would have variants of -40 on fast days...

[MISTERGEE]

i wonder how putting a minus 47 on the other runners that day is shaping up

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

i wonder how putting a minus 47 on the other runners that day is shaping up

Being that it is the variant they came up with I would guess pretty well.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Being that it is the variant they came up with I would guess pretty well.

Yes, it was actually a pretty easy card to make figures.