Mel Gibson's Anti-Semetic Tirade

[SentToStud]

I remember a couple years ago some rabbi called for Gibson's arrest under the Patriot Act through a Jewish defense league for a movie he made. Maybe no love lost in either direction there.

[timmgirvan]

Pretty freaky behavior for only blowing a .12 Sissy!

Mel Gibson is another religious nut. I don't blame Jews, Christians, Muslims, I blame all religions. On any given day one is crazier than the other. Irrational people that live in the Stone Age, all of them.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Mel Gibson is another religious nut. I don't blame Jews, Christians, Muslims, I blame all religions. On any given day one is crazier than the other. Irrational people that live in the Stone Age, all of them.

If you study the pagan religions, you might change your mind. There are many earth-bound religions that don't teach superiority or an "inside track" to the Almighty! One thing for sure, Wicca never started any wars!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

If you study the pagan religions, you might change your mind. There are many earth-bound religions that don't teach superiority or an "inside track" to the Almighty! One thing for sure, Wicca never started any wars!

It doesn't matter which religion you choose, they are all just something that some people conjured together, probably over drinks, and people grasped on to them. I am all for believing in a God, but religions and their rules are all man made nonsense.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by boldruler

It doesn't matter which religion you choose, they are all just something that some people conjured together, probably over drinks, and people grasped on to them. I am all for believing in a God, but religions and their rules are all man made nonsense.

I understand your point...the only "rule" in Wicca is stated below! All religions have their methodology and rituals, I don't really see a problem there. The problem arises when a religion teaches that their beliefs and rituals are the "only way" to the Almighty.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I understand your point...the only "rule" in Wicca is stated below! All religions have their methodology and rituals, I don't really see a problem there. The problem arises when a religion teaches that their beliefs and rituals are the "only way" to the Almighty.

Heh, if it makes you happy and doesn't bother anyone else, I am all for it. Religions though are usually about money and power. Nothing else.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

If you study the pagan religions, you might change your mind. There are many earth-bound religions that don't teach superiority or an "inside track" to the Almighty! One thing for sure, Wicca never started any wars!

Yeah, but Wicca's been around barely 100 years; give it time.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Yeah, but Wicca's been around barely 100 years; give it time.

Actually...Wicca or Witchcraft is possibly the oldest of the pagan religions, recent archaeological discoveries indicate that it may have been practiced 30,000 years ago which pre-dates Christianity by 28,000 years!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Actually...Wicca or Witchcraft is possibly the oldest of the pagan religions, recent archaeological discoveries indicate that it may have been practiced 30,000 years ago which pre-dates Christianity by 28,000 years!

Somer, I respectfully disagree. I think Wicca as it's practiced today arose out of the fascination with spiritualism in the late 19th century-- making a connection between it and the ancient pagan religions is a bit of a stretch that I think some Wiccans like to do in order to give themselves a feeling of superiority over more mainstream religions ("But we're older!").

Which is not to detract from its legitimacy as a genuine faith. Christianity was once only 100 years old, too. Likewise Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hindu-- they all started somewhere.

And I've been a practicing Wiccan for 14 years. There, I'm out of the broom closet. So much for my political career.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Somer, I respectfully disagree. I think Wicca as it's practiced today arose out of the fascination with spiritualism in the late 19th century-- making a connection between it and the ancient pagan religions is a bit of a stretch that I think some Wiccans like to do in order to give themselves a feeling of superiority over more mainstream religions ("But we're older!").

Which is not to detract from its legitimacy as a genuine faith. Christianity was once only 100 years old, too. Likewise Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, Hindu-- they all started somewhere.

And I've been a practicing Wiccan for 14 years. There, I'm out of the broom closet. So much for my political career.

Well, I know some Wiccans believe as you do, others prefer to trace their beliefs further back. I use the terms "witch" and "wiccan" interchangably while some folks would take offense at being referred to as one or the other. Gardnerian Wiccans would rightly trace their traditions back only a bit over 60 years while some practicing witch covens relate to the Craft which predates Christianity...a matter of personal choice. I guess some enjoy being part of something "ancient", myself I never really gave that aspect much thought. I would argue however that witchcraft has to predate the 12th century as that marked the beginnings of the Burning Times!

[Rupert Pupkin]

I am glad to see that Gibson wasted no time in taking full repsonsibilty for his behavior. He has fully apologized and did not make any excuses.

Here is an excerpt of his apology: " I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested. I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse." With regard to his anti-Jewish comments, Gibson said, "I said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable." He also apologized for "my belligerent behavior" and the way he treated the police officers.

I respect Mel for apologizing and taking full responsibility for his bevavior.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I am glad to see that Gibson wasted no time in taking full repsonsibilty for his behavior. He has fully apologized and did not make any excuses.

Here is an excerpt of his apology: " I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested. I disgraced myself and my family with my behavior and for that I am truly sorry. I have battled with the disease of alcoholism for all of my adult life and profoundly regret my horrific relapse." With regard to his anti-Jewish comments, Gibson said, "I said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable." He also apologized for "my belligerent behavior" and the way he treated the police officers.

I respect Mel for apologizing and taking full responsibility for his bevavior.

I give him props for apologizing, too. When will celebrities and politicians learn the fastest way to make something go away is to say "I'm sorry?" So good for him for stepping up and doing it.

(But am I still allowed to think he's a nutcase?)

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I remember a couple years ago some rabbi called for Gibson's arrest under the Patriot Act through a Jewish defense league for a movie he made. Maybe no love lost in either direction there.

The JDL is hardcore. They go overboard imo. I dont think they represent the mainstream.