John Ward

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

McPeek is a "solid" trainer. I am not scared of his horses suddenly showing dramatic improvement. Seems to run to form.

This is a perfect example of the hypocracy of people trying to figure out who is "clean" and who isn't. Because you feel that his horses dont show "dramatic" improvement, he is a clean trainer. I am not implying that he is not but the evidence that some guys are cheating and some guys arent is not always readily apparent in past performance lines or speed figures. I'm not picking on you BF but just pointing out how some people are unfairly labeled as juicers and some guys are wrongly labeled as clean, and the fact that many times the opposite is true.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is a perfect example of the hypocracy of people trying to figure out who is "clean" and who isn't. Because you feel that his horses dont show "dramatic" improvement, he is a clean trainer. I am not implying that he is not but the evidence that some guys are cheating and some guys arent is not always readily apparent in past performance lines or speed figures. I'm not picking on you BF but just pointing out how some people are unfairly labeled as juicers and some guys are wrongly labeled as clean, and the fact that many times the opposite is true.

! Never meant to imply that he was clean(or otherwise).
You make a very good point.

we don't know.

All the player can really do is handicap and then observe the results. If someone is outperforming or underperforming, make a note of it. If a barn is hot, make a note of it.

I try not to call a trainer a "juicer". I was talking horses last year with a mentor whom I respect, and I mentioned a "leading" trainer's "late juice". My mentor looked at me and firmly said "he is a good trainer".
Much more classy.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

! Never meant to imply that he was clean(or otherwise).
You make a very good point.

we don't know.

All the player can really do is handicap and then observe the results. If someone is outperforming or underperforming, make a note of it. If a barn is hot, make a note of it.

I try not to call a trainer a "juicer". I was talking horses last year with a mentor whom I respect, and I mentioned a "leading" trainer's "late juice". My mentor looked at me and firmly said "he is a good trainer".
Much more classy.

I didnt think you did but it may have come across as almost the unsaid indictment. I am not naive enough to think that some guys dont have an advantage but some would be surprised at some of the good rep guys who shouldnt be.

[PPerfectfan]

Originally Posted by merasmag

his post neither said nor implied anything about juice...as someone who's "just a gambler" i thought he was referring to bet-againsts...u seem to protest WAY too much shelly---as to the original post, wtf cares about john ward? as was correctly pointed out, he's not trippin old ladies to get to a microphone ala dwl...why are you so concerned with what others think of certain trainers btw? were u ever in politics? tryin to deflect heat from your bud? r u on the payroll? wtf cares about john ward??? now, if honu were around, perhaps she'd chime in on the women in the barn thing, but she probably has better things to do than respond to such stupid ****

I am not Honu, but I think I made it known my thoughts on the whole "women in the barn" statement....... Now let me get back to my dusting and washing, sorry to interupt you men folk!!