Two could be heavy favorites on Saturday - play against

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Pointg5

Showing UP couldn't hold English Channel's bridle..

I wasn't a big fan of EC, until his last race, that made me a believer...

and this guy is willing to make a heads up bet between EC and SU!!!!

Showing Up is no Barbaro, but they say he is very close. Showing Up will mop up English Channel. The Europeans are his only competition. Showing Up is not the horse you saw a few weeks ago when he won the Colonial easily. He is becoming a monster. When Mr. Pessimist Tagg starts talking like he is about an Eclipse Award, you better watch out.

Tell EC to take off his skirt and beat a good European horse than I will give him credit. That fifth place finish last year didn't do much for me. His dogfight with that gimp Shakespeare who was coming off surgery showed EC doesn't have it.

I bet English Channel could have beaten Barbaro on the turf too. LOL.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Showing Up is no Barbaro, but they say he is very close. Showing Up will mop up English Channel. The Europeans are his only competiton. Showing Up is not the horse you saw a few weeks ago when he won the Colonial easily. He is becoming a monster. When Mr. Pessimist Tagg starts talking like he is about an Eclipse Award, you better watch out.

Tell EC to take off his skirt and beat a good European horse than I will give him credit. That fifth place finish last year didn't do much for me.

I bet English Channel could have beaten Barbaro on the turf too. LOL.

I doubt the EC could have beaten Barbaro on the turf. I was the one BEGGING for the Jacksons to leave Barbaro on the grass, instead of trying for the Triple Crown with him. America needs a 3YO turf superstar and I truly believe that Barbaro was him.
I'm not saying that SU is a bad horse, but he has to beat more than what he did in the Turf Cup to prove anything to me. EC has essentially beat the best that AMERICA has to offer and his record speaks for itself. SU has beat one very suspect group of horses in 1 turf race. IF SU turns out to be a turf monster, I will be happy. I LOVE turf racing tons more than dirt, so I am always looking for more attention to be given to turfers.

SU has lots more to do on turf for anyone to believe he is a monster. If Tagg is so confident that he is that good, skip the 3YO turf races and pit him against the big boys.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Showing Up is no Barbaro, but they say he is very close. Showing Up will mop up English Channel. The Europeans are his only competition. Showing Up is not the horse you saw a few weeks ago when he won the Colonial easily. He is becoming a monster. When Mr. Pessimist Tagg starts talking like he is about an Eclipse Award, you better watch out.

Tell EC to take off his skirt and beat a good European horse than I will give him credit. That fifth place finish last year didn't do much for me. His dogfight with that gimp Shakespeare who was coming off surgery showed EC doesn't have it.

I bet English Channel could have beaten Barbaro on the turf too. LOL.

BTW...the only thing you are proving with this post is your immaturity.

[dr. fager]

Originally Posted by boldruler

His dogfight with that gimp Shakespeare who was coming off surgery showed EC doesn't have it.

It amazes me how people are so quick to back a 3 year old against older, mind you the best the world has to offer, the first time.

Pletcher also doesn't talk about Eclipse awards, he wins them, and he's very high on EC, said he's the 2nd best yearling him and his father ever purchased.

If this happens, the more experienced horse will get my money, but I say there is less than a 5% chance we even see this matchup this year.

[GPK]

Tag has to be more itelligent than to face him against elders before the BC Turf.

Like you said Bill, I guess people don't realize the HUGE difference between the 3YO year and after. As good as EC was last year, he is 10 times better than that as a 4YO this year.

Originally Posted by GPK

Tag has to be more itelligent than to face him against elders before the BC Turf.

Like you said Bill, I guess people don't realize the HUGE difference between the 3YO year and after. As good as EC was last year, he is 10 times better than that as a 4YO this year.

Showing Up is going to the Turf Classic. I love how when English Channel went as a 3yr old and lost by a nose it was ok and Pletcher was a genius, but if Tagg does it, he isn't intelligent. You are calling me immature. Wake up.

Showing Up is better than EC was as a three year old. The one morning the two were out at Belmont together, Showing Up made him look like a little boy. That was the day Tagg realized SU can compete on the turf with anyone.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Showing Up is going to the Turf Classic. I love how when English Channel went as a 3yr old and lost by a nose it was ok and Pletcher was a genius, but if Tagg does it, he isn't intelligent. You are calling me immature. Wake up.

Showing Up is better than EC was as a three year old. The one morning the two were out at Belmont together, Showing Up made him look like a little boy.

I apologize (real men know that word). I was wrong, I thought the Turf Classic was for 3YO's only. I stand corrected.

I call you immature because you talk of horses wearing "skirts". You come across as though you are still in 8th grade. I guess daddy's money has kept your sheltered from the real world for a long time, hence the reasoning behind why you have no idea how grown ups speak and have intelligent discussions.

Pletcher NEVER works EC fast. The great majority of workouts that you see for EC are 4F in :50+

Im done having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Good day to you and best of luck to SU the remainder of the year.

Originally Posted by GPK

I apologize (real men know that word). I was wrong, I thought the Turf Classic was for 3YO's only. I stand corrected.

I call you immature because you talk of horses wearing "skirts". You come across as though you are still in 8th grade. I guess daddy's money has kept your sheltered from the real world for a long time, hence the reasoning behind why you have no idea how grown ups speak and have intelligent discussions.

Pletcher NEVER works EC fast. The great majority of workouts that you see for EC are 4F in :50+

Im done having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. Good day to you and best of luck to SU the remainder of the year.

You need to calm down. One I don't have daddy's money, I just have a very good job. As for EC v SU, you are a complete baffoon if you think I am being serious. I love SU because I know the horse personally and one of the guys that is living with me this summer while he is working in NY has known him since he was born. When a Strategic Mission has as much success as Showing Up has, that is a major accomplishment. Sorry he isn't out of one of Lanes Ends 50K stallions like Smart Strike and some Theatrical mare.

Right now Showing Up has a long way to go before being in the league with English Channel. SU is coming along incredibly well though. It would not be a shock if he won the Turf Classic against the EC's and Caciques. None of those horses that just keep taking turns beating each other has proven to be exceptional. Winning against the Europeans though is highly unlikely for SU this year, but his 4yr old year is another story.

He is no Barbaro, but he is a nice replacement.

Originally Posted by dr.fager

It amazes me how people are so quick to back a 3 year old against older, mind you the best the world has to offer, the first time.

Pletcher also doesn't talk about Eclipse awards, he wins them, and he's very high on EC, said he's the 2nd best yearling him and his father ever purchased.

If this happens, the more experienced horse will get my money, but I say there is less than a 5% chance we even see this matchup this year.

The only way we don't see this matchup is if EC doesn't run in the Turf Classic or BC Turf. Highly unlikely.

Both three year olds, Showing Up and Go Between will be just as good as the older horses in the fall. Showing Up already is and Go Between is getting much better quickly.

[Danzig]

it takes an extra special three year old to beat older. and we have two of those?? i doubt it.

i don't believe showing up can beat english channel, and i don't believe he won't touch dirt again.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

it takes an extra special three year old to beat older. and we have two of those?? i doubt it.

i don't believe showing up can beat english channel, and i don't believe he won't touch dirt again.

No more dirt for him. 100% guaranteed. He is just significantly better on the turf. Significantly better. Trust me, they haven't shut up about this horse for weeks now. I get it 24-7 from the guy living with me this summer. They are already talking about the trip over for next years Arc.

[Betsy]

Now with a sloppy track, I can see not betting on Bernardini or, at least, confidently betting against him. I'm not happy about this - obviously, I still think he's tons the best, but the track is now an equalizer. Bernardini may hate it or another horse may thrive on it. How depressing. I didn't think I'd have to cross my fingers for the Jim Dandy, but now I will.