Commentator.. nice!

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Two of Commentators three big figures came with ridiculiously easy trips - and his third big figure, was one that many felt was a questionable number on the high side.

I believe Left Bank ran four of 118 or greater. though two of the four were 118's.

Congaree had a pair of 120's and a 118

Swept Overboard had a pair of 122's.

Kona Gold had a 123, 119, 118, 117

A lot of close but not quite's.

Which is why I wouldn't personally put him in my top ten for the decade but I don't think anyone should have a major problem with someone putting the horse in their top ten for the decade. Especially considering that only he and Ghostzapper have gone 119+ three times no matter the circumstances.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Which is why I wouldn't personally put him in my top ten for the decade but I don't think anyone should have a major problem with someone putting the horse in their top ten for the decade. Especially considering that only he and Ghostzapper have gone 119+ three times no matter the circumstances.

When you quote his nonsense it completely defeats the purpose of my having him on ignore.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I laughed.

Me too.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

When you quote his nonsense it completely defeats the purpose of my having him on ignore.

LOL

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

You left out the part about Team Dutrow hounding Commentator for the first 5 furlongs of that race. There were not 1 but 2 rabbits entered to aid St. Liam. Now, it probably wouldn't have mattered, I don't think anyone was beating St. Liam that day, but it's not like Commentator just threw in the towel for no reason. I'd love to see what he could do if he could stay healthy this year, because there isn't much talent in the older horse division right now.

HOunding. Are you kidding. That was the worst job of hounding I have ever seen.
One rabbit was totally useless. The lesson learned was you cant even get close
to rating the horse. Stevens had hm will in hand and...Horse could not take it.
Damn fast 1-dimensional horse.
The horse is damn good at what he does.

[philcski]

Speaking of Ghostzapper, somehow he had no information on pedigreequery.com?? Pretty odd for the best horse of the last 25 years. [I updated it.]

[robfla]

From the Miami herald:

"'Only in America can you do things like this: Take a 7-year-old and have him come back running like a 2-year-old,'' Zito said. ``If we can keep him like this, he can beat any horse in the world.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/624/story/384267.html

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by robfla

From the Miami herald:

"'Only in America can you do things like this: Take a 7-year-old and have him come back running like a 2-year-old,'' Zito said. ``If we can keep him like this, he can beat any horse in the world.''

http://www.miamiherald.com/624/story/384267.html

Nick Zito is > than Don King

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Just do me a favor and go watch the race again. Then watch the head on. If that isn't hounding I don't know what is. It was like a relay race against him. Not many horses can deal with 2 rabbits, especially if you have to deal with a talent like St. Liam after disposing of the 2 rabbits.

Well Dutrows use of the rabbit
accomplished the goal of getting
Sir Shaq to place.

One rabbit was non functional
St. Liam was at a walk behind them, how far off from the
Commentator? Relay race with one horse never getting the baton.
The goal the Rabbit accomplished was trying to get
Stevens to rate the horse.

Look the result is the same.
He has to tear off and get a lead
or he is beaten. This is exactly
the same for the past 3 years at least.
What problem do youhave with this?

But he is a very good one turn 8f 7 year old.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

What the hell are you talking about? There were 2 rabbits, there is no disputing that it's a fact and what does Sir Shackelton have to do with anything? Have you watched the replay?

Yes there were 2 but one was so bad
he did what?

No I did not watch the race.
I can just see it in my head.
yes I watched the race

The Rabbit that was functional got Sir Shackelton
2nd. (unintended obviously but that is what Dutrows well worn
stunt accomplsished) Have you
watched the replay? Did you see which horse came in 2nd?
St. Liam was walking behind a hard held Commentator and
then when Commentator busted loose from Stevens, St. Liam just
sauntered on up. St. Liam did not even need one functional
rabbit.

The rabbit got Stevens to try to rate the horse.
Did you watch the race?

[miraja2]

Posting
like
this
doesn't
make
your
argument
any
more
believable.

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Maybe we're watching a different race. Coming out of the chute, Show Boot (rabbit #1) makes the front while Crafty Player (rabbit #2) is taken under a stranglehold outside of Commentator. Then Show Boot's rider takes a hold and Commentator moves through to take the lead. As he does this Crafty Player, on his outside and Show Boot, inside, rush up and hound him. All the while Saint Liam is sitting 4th, a few lengths back running easliy. Again, it probably wouldn't have mattered, but it happened.

The outside horse did next to nothing.

So Commentator is a very fast 1 turn 8f horse
who must have the lead or he folds.
What do we disagree about?

Originally Posted by miraja2

Posting
like
this
doesn't
make
your
argument
any
more
believable.

Thanks
.........for
.............your
...................advice.
..................I
..............will
..........try
.........to
.......do
better.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Thanks
.........for
.............your
...................advice.
..................I
..............will
..........try
.........to
.......do
better.

I think that is a big improvement.
Much more artistic.

[King Glorious]

Couple of comments from Zito after the race the I am not sure how to take them:

"God Bless America," Zito enthused. "Only in America can you do things like this: Take a seven-year-old and have him come back running like a two-year-old. I was talking with a friend of mine the other day and I said he was going to break the track record. I looked at what they had in the program and I knew that was out of here. He did it and the track (today) wasn't exceptionally fast either."

Ok so he knew he had the horse so good at this point that he was ready to set a track record but he didn't want to enter him in the Hal's Hope because of the competition? That seems like a waste of a good effort to me. We know that this is a very fragile horse. It would seem to me that if I'm only going to get a limited number of opportunities with him, and I've got him ready to really roll right now, why not take on a bigger race than what he just ran in?

Zito is looking forward to what lies ahead for Commentator.

"It would be wonderful to have some fun with him this year," the Hall of Famer said. "If we can keep him like this, he can beat any horse in the world. He beat horses like Saint Liam. When he's like this, he can run with anybody."

It seems that Zito believes he can beat any horse in the world.....except for Chatain. This is the part of the game that I hate. Trainers scratching from races because they are afraid of the competition. I liked it when trainers would worry about their own horses. They would get them fit and ready to run the race they wanted them to run and not worry about what someone else was doing. If your belief is that you've got your horse cranked up 100% and that he's ready to set a track record and you believe that when he's like this, he can beat any horse in the world, why scratch out of a race because of Chatain and go in a cheap optional claimer with a horse that you know is fragile and you are likely to have limited starts with?

[King Glorious]

To continue along this same line, here was a comment from Chatain's trainer, Angel Penna, Jr. from before the Hal's Hope:

"He's just accident-prone," said Penna. "If he has any one real weakness it's his feet. He's got thin walls and shallow soles, but he's got glue-on shoes now and at the moment he's doing well."

Chatain, who finished a troubled fourth behind reigning Horse of the Year Invasor last winter in the Gradeo1 Donn, has won his last two starts. Both were at six furlongs and include a head victory in an overnight stakes at the Meadowlands in his finale as a 4-year-old on Nov. 3.

"I'd like to have had another work into him, but at this point, with all we've gone through with him the past two years, when he's ready to run and there's a race for him you've got to run," Penna said.

[miraja2]

The thing that he said which didn't make any sense to me was the "only in America" nonsense. I am pretty sure that all of the other nations in the world don't have restrictions on running fast 7yos.

[Danzig]

as for running in the hals hope instead, maybe commentator needed the extra two weeks..

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Couple of comments from Zito after the race the I am not sure how to take them:

"God Bless America," Zito enthused. "Only in America can you do things like this: Take a seven-year-old and have him come back running like a two-year-old."

Zito is gold.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

When you quote his nonsense it completely defeats the purpose of my having him on ignore.

Sometimes I feel like this whole board would be a lot more entertaining if I blocked everyone but me.