ok debate time ..

[sham]

Assuming Secretariat runs 2:24 .... he wins.

[King Glorious]

I don't think it's a good assumption that he'd run 2:24 again though. He ran in the Woodward and they went 2:25 4/5 and he lost by 4 1/2 lengths so he was somewhere in the mid-2:26 area. He ran in the Man o'War and went 2:24 4/5. I know that was on the grass but very often, grass times are faster than dirt times. So I think that it's more likely that Secretariat would run a time in the area of 2:25 2/5 to 2:26 2/5. While that's still outstanding and would win most races at the distance, I think the 2:24 was an abberation.

I also think it's wrong to say that Secretariat would beat them at any distance. Other than the 12f distance, was he faster than Bid at other distances? Bid ran 7f in 1:20. He ran it in 1:20 4/5 as a 2yo. Secretariat didn't run it that fast. Bid ran 8.5f in 1:40 2/5 and went under 1:42 a couple more times. Secretariat went 1:42 4/5. We know that Bid went 10f in 1:57 4/5. Bid went 1:45 and 1:46 1/5 for 9f. I am not sure if they were at one or two turns but if they were at two, that's more impressive, IMO, than Secretariat's 1:45 2/5 at one turn. Secretariat has the edge in 8f races (1:33 2/5 to 1:34 4/5) and Sec's unofficial Preakness time of 1:53 and change beats Bid's 1:54 1/5. The point is that at 12f, Secretariat was clearly far superior to Bid. But at any other distance, I don't think that's anywhere close to true.

[Holland Hacker]

At 12F I think it is Secretariat in a romp.

and GO GIANTS !!