Commentator.. nice!

[Indian Charlie]

Actually, I've been wondering for awhile now when Zito would come to his senses and realize that this horse cannot be competitive sprinting against top notch sprinters.

His game is mile racing. especially in races devoid of any real speed burners.

I'd like to see him run in races like the Met mile I suppose.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Actually, I've been wondering for awhile now when Zito would come to his senses and realize that this horse cannot be competitive sprinting against top notch sprinters.

His game is mile racing. especially in races devoid of any real speed burners.

I'd like to see him run in races like the Met mile I suppose.

There are very few stakes races at a mile and only about two of them have been run while he was racing sound. One was last year's Met Mile and for him to have made his debut in that race, off almost a 10 month layoff, might have been a questionable choice. The other was the Cigar Mile in 2004 which might have been a good idea but hard to say.

Finding races for this horse is hard....but keeping him sound is obviously harder.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

There are very few stakes races at a mile and only about two of them have been run while he was racing sound. One was last year's Met Mile and for him to have made his debut in that race, off almost a 10 month layoff, might have been a questionable choice. The other was the Cigar Mile in 2004 which might have been a good idea but hard to say.

Finding races for this horse is hard....but keeping him sound is obviously harder.

No arguments from me on either point, but still, those races seem perfect for him.

I can't remember, has he ever tried mile races on turf? Turf at all?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

No arguments from me on either point, but still, those races seem perfect for him.

I can't remember, has he ever tried mile races on turf? Turf at all?

It's hard to run him in turf races with his kind of talent. It's just not what you do.

Frankly, it's a tribute to the stable that they have been able to continue to get him to the races, all things considered, and that on any given day he may run extremely well.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's hard to run him in turf races with his kind of talent. It's just not what you do.

Frankly, it's a tribute to the stable that they have been able to continue to get him to the races, all things considered, and that on any given day he may run extremely well.

Why not? Heck, try to find a grass course that favors speed, I could see him being really tough!

Better than going in a 6f race against quicker horses where he has little hope, or going in a ybred race for very little money.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Better than going in a 6f race against quicker horses where he has little hope, or going in a ybred race for very little money.

Zito is a guy whos horses often run well below expectations when he runs them on the turf - and he doesn't go to the turf with his horses as often as others do.

Something I found odd about Commentator when I looked at his pedigree - in search of grass breeding.....is that his mother Outsource was an unraced $14,000 yearling who was foaled in 1998.

Commentator, her first foal, was foaled in March of 2001. Seems like Distorted Humor got his dam when she was a early 2-year-old.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Zito is a guy whos horses often run well below expectations when he runs them on the turf - and he doesn't go to the turf with his horses as often as others do.

Something I found odd about Commentator when I looked at his pedigree - in search of grass breeding.....is that his mother Outsource was an unraced $14,000 yearling who was foaled in 1998.

Commentator, her first foal, was foaled in March of 2001. Seems like Distorted Humor got his dam when she was a early 2-year-old.

she was underage!

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Commentator, her first foal, was foaled in March of 2001. Seems like Distorted Humor got his dam when she was a early 2-year-old.

Yet another horse who had done enough.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Zito is a guy whos horses often run well below expectations when he runs them on the turf - and he doesn't go to the turf with his horses as often as others do.

Something I found odd about Commentator when I looked at his pedigree - in search of grass breeding.....is that his mother Outsource was an unraced $14,000 yearling who was foaled in 1998.

Commentator, her first foal, was foaled in March of 2001. Seems like Distorted Humor got his dam when she was a early 2-year-old.

From her PQ page:

Owner: Airdrie Stud
Breeder: Pollock Farms
State Bred: KY

Born extremely crooked, so was never trained or raced. Was bred at the age of 2 to produce G1 winner Commentator, becoming one of the youngest mares to produce a G1 winner.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Why not? Heck, try to find a grass course that favors speed, I could see him being really tough!

Better than going in a 6f race against quicker horses where he has little hope, or going in a ybred race for very little money.

I'm with you here in asking "why not?" I don't understand that comment Andy made. What does it mean "it's just not what you do"? Don't you do what you want to do with your horse? Forget about traditions and long held beliefs. Have an open mind to at least try different things. Putting him in races like the BC Sprint and the Forego should be the things that you don't do when it's extremely obvious that that's not his game. His game is in races of 8-9f (remember his Whitney?) where he's more likely to be able to control the pace and has the stamina to finish. If there aren't many mile races on the dirt for him, what's so wrong with at least trying the grass? It's not like if he fails, his career is over.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'm with you here in asking "why not?" I don't understand that comment Andy made. What does it mean "it's just not what you do"? Don't you do what you want to do with your horse? Forget about traditions and long held beliefs. Have an open mind to at least try different things. Putting him in races like the BC Sprint and the Forego should be the things that you don't do when it's extremely obvious that that's not his game. His game is in races of 8-9f (remember his Whitney?) where he's more likely to be able to control the pace and has the stamina to finish. If there aren't many mile races on the dirt for him, what's so wrong with at least trying the grass? It's not like if he fails, his career is over.

Everything every trainer does is not the right thing. They will all tell you this. However, when a trainer has a substantial resume of success it seems a little presumptuous for any of us to think we know better than them.

Commentator was 4:5 when he ran in the Forego. You show me a trainer that doesn't run a horse that is 4:5 in a Grade 1 and I will show you a moron. Commentator was 9:1 in the BC Sprint. You tell me the turf race that was more prestigious where he would have been a shorter price. One could argue that the best course of action is to consider your equity and go where it's highest. Especially when you have a horse that you pray can stay sound for even a short period of time.

Frankly, the person who thinks Indian Blessing should be pointing for the KY Derby is in absolutely no position to recommend the course of any horse.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by merasmag

i liked this horsie, and his trainer, as much as anybody, but eventually ya gotta make room for the ones that are actually doing somethin...i drop certain ones outta my stable mail confident that if they are in a race (stakes) i wanna bet, i'll know about it---he is in that category...once every 6 months...bye-bye

LOL

And the alcohol has spoken.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by merasmag

mrs hunter

Could be Mrs. Paul on January 29th.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Could be Mrs. Paul on January 29th.

you going to sell frozen fish?!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by merasmag

mrs hunter

and that wasn't alcohol...it was knowing what i'm talkin bout

glad someone does!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by merasmag

i was with children long enuf today...if u don't understand my writing u can either go back to school or sit down and shut up and think for a minute...god gave u a brain, use it!

it's really not worth the effort.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by merasmag

i was with children long enuf today...if u don't understand my writing u can either go back to school or sit down and shut up and think for a minute...god gave u a brain, use it!

I drank too much tonight to decipher any of this. Nite, y'all!

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

oh well nice horse ..and a great performance..