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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() The next Ruffian?
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![]() She couldnt pony Ruffian
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Personally I think Baffert would be crazy to ship her to Thistledown....but what do I know. |
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![]() Ok, tell you what. I'll rate her below every 3yo that has won two grade ones and is undefeated and has won around two turns. Is that a little bit more logical?
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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Accomplishment doesn't supercede performance, either in ability, or in it's predictive power. I can't believe this is something that even needs to be explained....and frankly if that is the argument that you are holding on to then your entire premise is even weaker than I thought. But, then again, that's impossible. Simply put, she has absolutely no chance in the KY Derby and just as much of a chance of even being pointed for the race ( forget about running in it ). Frankly, if she were to run Derby weekend it's probably more likely she shows up in the La Troienne than the KY Oaks. |
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![]() I have no premise. I'm not making any predictions that she will be in the Derby, that she could win the Derby, or anything else. The only thing that I did was rate the three year olds on how I see them right now. Right now, I haven't seen those that have done more than her and are more deserving of the ranking that I gave her than she is. Speculation and predictions for the future are great but they are also worthless. In sports, you've got to beat the champion in order to take their title away. It's not just handed to you. Until I see more that PROVE they can do more than her, I'm leaving her up there. If that's funny to you, I'm happy to entertain. If it bothers you, I'm sorry you take it so personal.
One last thing. As I've always said, I don't rate the 3yo's only based on Derby potential. There are plenty of other races in which to make a name for yourself besides the Derby.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() Then I'm confused. I thought you posted the other day that she was one of the top four contenders for the Derby. I apologize for my confusion.
I do think she's talented, perhaps even as far as a mile, but even at a time of pretty mild accomplishment I have trouble considering her in the top ten of 3YOs I have seen. However, that's just an opinion. |
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In all honesty, I'd still have her listed pretty high if it was a Derby list. Maybe not #3 but probably still in my top five although I think it's very unlikely that Baffert's thinking that route with her at this time. Fortunately for us, she's in the hands of someone that, if she keeps progressing and looks worthy of a shot, will take one.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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