Scat Daddy was "Impressive" Today

Originally Posted by oracle80

1) You are a jerkoff
2) You think that these supposed experts you refer know more than someone like myself or Blackthroat, big mistake dude.
3) I like you because you are enthusiatic and getting into the game.
4) You don't know enough about the game yet to argue intelligently about it and thats where the problems lie. Anyone with a brain knows that the horse was not "green" yesterday. He encountered minor traffic trouble and then was fully extended beaten and scrubbed to narrowly get in up in a time that was only one second faster than an 0-15 Ny bred maiden and 3YO claimer.
Any novice would even realize that the expectations that guys like you and Joel heard from your "sources"(who are also jerk offs) are obviously not going to be achieved.
5) You try and play both sides of every coin, and you look like a moron when you do so. You tell everyone not to bet a 2YO heavily like Cotton Blossom at 8-1 yet you think its a good idea to bet a favorite making his debut on turf at a short price, yeah, ok, sure. Then you claim to have bet Blossom(you are welcome if you did). At some point in order to have any credibility you must concede error. You obviously think these clowns, and they are clowns, know more more than folks like me. You are sadly mistaken.

Truth hurts.

1) Please show me where I said not to bet the horse. I am still waiting.
2) You act like I bet him because you gave it out. Memo to world, if Oracle gives out a Pletcher/Velasquez horse than if you bet him/her Oracle gets all the credit. He was a Pletcher/Velasquez horse in a two yr old race that went off at 8-1. I put $20 on him, not real money. Great value bet.
3) I am still trying to figure out where I said the people I know have more knowledge than you. Please show me that too.
4) Oracle says I don't know enough to argue, but I can assure you there are owners, big owners of some of the top horses, that know next to nothing about the game. I guess they can spend millions but they aren't allowed to have an opinon. LOL.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Truth hurts.

1) Please show me where I said not to bet the horse. I am still waiting.
2) You act like I bet him because you gave it out. Memo to world, if Oracle gives out a Pletcher/Velasquez horse than if you bet him/her Oracle gets all the credit. He was a Pletcher/Velasquez horse in a two yr old race that went off at 8-1. I put $20 on him, not real money. Great value bet.
3) I am still trying to figure out where I said the people I know have more knowledge than you. Please show me that too.
4) Oracle says I don't know enough to argue, but I can assure you there are owners, big owners of some of the top horses, that know next to nothing about the game. I guess they can spend millions but they aren't allowed to have an opinon. LOL.

You said not to bet the horse heavily because of how 2yo's change blah blah blah. I can pull up that post and will do so!!!!

Originally Posted by oracle80

You said not to bet the horse heavily because of how 2yo's change blah blah blah. I can pull up that post and will do so!!!!

I am still waiting. I know what I said and you are twisting my words.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2304
Twist that you spin artist.

Originally Posted by oracle80

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2304
Twist that you spin artist.

Twist what? It says exactly what I said and believe, betting heavily on a 2yr old is not a wise move. Read it. The race illustrated my point when the favorite stumbled from the gate.

You know I said in Lansdon's thread he should let you buy him a KY derby horse, but that isn't enough for you. You want 100% praise from people all the time.

Fact- 2yr olds are unpredictable. Bet at your own risk.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Twist what? It says exactly what I said and believe, betting heavily on a 2yr old is not a wise move. Read it. The race illustrated my point when the favorite stumbled from the gate.

Yet your beliefs on wagering include betting heavily on a horse making his debut on the grass in a million dollar race as the favorite? Is this correct?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yet your beliefs on wagering include betting heavily on a horse making his debut on the grass in a million dollar race as the favorite? Is this correct?

Huge Difference. He was an experienced horse. Last I checked he just got out of a 20 horse race called the KY Derby.

It was his debut in a race on the grass, but it was far from his first time on the grass. Everyone who watched him in the morning could tell he was born for the grass. He had multiple works over it and even Tagg became a believer. Trust me, Showing Up is a future superstar. The same guys that said Barbaro would be a star are that high on this horse, but only on the turf. They aren't that impressed with him on the dirt.

Let's just say Showing Up has come into his own. He even got his own big write up in the NYT. The text is here. I cut out a few paragraphs for copyright reasons.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/sp...=1&oref=slogin

Change to the Turf Offers Horse a Chance to Show Off

By BILL FINLEY
Published: July 18, 2006

They have been linked since spring, two colts who shared the same owners and were undefeated when they entered the starting gate for the Kentucky Derby. A photo even showed them running side by side as the 20 horses in the Derby fought for position in the mile-and-a-quarter race. One of the two horses, Barbaro, went on to win the Derby in dynamic fashion only to injure himself in the Preakness Stakes. The other, Showing Up, finished sixth, 10 lengths back.

Now, two months later, Barbaro is struggling to survive in the aftermath of his injury, a gripping and emotional tale being played out nearly every day in the news media. But off to the side, Showing Up is emerging as a horse that may be special, too, offering some solace to the owners Roy and Gretchen Jackson as they endure Barbaro’s plight.

The twists in this story are considerable, among them the fact that Barbaro began racing on the grass, then shifted to the dirt, while Showing Up has done the opposite, shifting from the dirt to the turf. And while Showing Up will forever be in Barbaro’s shadow, he is creating attention, nonetheless.

“Everybody who gets on him says he’s as good a horse as they’ve ever sat on,” said Showing Up’s trainer, Barclay Tagg, also the trainer of Funny Cide, the 2003 Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner. “The jockey thinks he’s a super horse. I’m a guarded person and I don’t like to get too excited, but he’s done everything we’ve asked of him.”

Unraced until February, Showing Up won his first three starts before running in the Derby. He was at a disadvantage against more seasoned colts and finished out of the money with the regular rider Cornelio Velasquez aboard.

After the Derby, Tagg reasoned that he needed to stay out of the way of Barbaro, who is trained by Michael Matz. Not only did Barbaro appear a cinch to win the Triple Crown, but Tagg figured that Barbaro had the 3-year-old championship locked up the instant he crossed the wire in the Derby.


“He’s bred for the turf,” Tagg said. “His father was a turf horse, and he has turf breeding on the dam’s side of his pedigree. As well as he ran on the dirt, I just thought he moved better on the turf. Besides, there was a point where I was convinced Barbaro would win the Triple Crown. I didn’t want to run against him in the Preakness or Belmont. It was a no-brainer.”

For the Jacksons, Showing Up’s emergence has been good news during a tough and draining period in which Barbaro remains in the intensive care unit of the George D. Widener Hospital for Large Animals in Kennett Square, Pa.

“Yes, he has helped ease the pain because we missed seeing a star on the racetrack,” Gretchen Jackson said during a telephone interview last week. “With Barbaro, there will always be sadness and the thought that he never got to finish out the type of career we were hoping for. Nothing will replace that, but to have this other horse come along is something else.”

Showing Up would have been heavily favored in last Saturday’s $1 million Virginia Derby, but Tagg did not want to run his horse again on just three weeks’ rest. Still, he has big plans for Showing Up, who was purchased for just $60,000 last year at a sale of 2-year-olds. Tagg said that Barbaro deserved to be the 3-year-old champion, an award usually given to a dirt horse, but he added that Showing Up could be named the male turf champion.
With that goal in mind, he has mapped out a schedule that consists of the Secretariat Stakes on Aug. 12 at Arlington Park, the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic on Oct. 7 at Belmont and the Breeders’ Cup Turf on Nov. 4 at Churchill Downs. Sweeping those races may not compare to what Barbaro could have accomplished, but it would be fine in its own right.

And for the Jacksons, it will certainly be something to look forward to.