BCS shafted Mizzou and the fans....

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You keep the bowl system and have a 16 team playoff. Play the round of 16 on Thanksgiving weekend and the round of 8 the following week at the sites of the higher ranked teams. You then use two bowls for the semi-finals and populate all the remaining bowls using the teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs along with the 12 teams already eliminated from the playoffs. The week following New Years you have the National Championship Game. Now there's your cash cow.

Wont work.
All the diff. Bowl's would have to vie for the playoff games.
You have to deal with the Bowl committee's and the University
Presidents and AD's. This is a cash cow as it stands right now.
The bowl games have made huge amounts of money this year.

Then you have the problem of a "home game" being given to a lower seed.
The Rose Bowl will not go away. Which of the playoff games do you give the Rose Bowl? Tis a mess. Heck its not just the Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, they all want their piece. And they got their piece right now. I dont know how one would divy up the playoff games thru these entities (this includes the NCAA) that control everything. There is no single TV network that can come in and say hey you guys lets straighten this thing out with a playoff system and we can all make more money.
If say... NBC tried this, the Bowl would just go to a diff TV network and say NBC no longer is in the running for the money our Bowl will generate, the bidding is now between... it is a real mess.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wont work.
All the diff. Bowl's would have to vie for the playoff games.
You have to deal with the Bowl committee's and the University
Presidents and AD's. This is a cash cow as it stands right now.
The bowl games have made huge amounts of money this year.

But the bowl games are not owned by the NCAA, they are privately held. Instead of wasting time chasing baseball players that may or may not have taken PED's, Congress should look at this system and try to figure out why a few college presidents and commissioners are so interested in making money for others. The paltry sums that are now awarded to colleges would pale in comparison to a playoff system.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But the bowl games are not owned by the NCAA, they are privately held. Instead of wasting time chasing baseball players that may or may not have taken PED's, Congress should look at this system and try to figure out why a few college presidents and commissioners are so interested in making money for others. The paltry sums that are now awarded to colleges would pale in comparison to a playoff system.

That is what it would take.
Because the NCAA has no desire whatsoever for a playoff system.
And the paltry sums are paltry for the big schools.

The International Bowl in balmy Canada on Saturday (you deftly left this big game of your big bowl contest) will give a very nice amount of money to Rutgers and Ball State. They would never see this money in a playoff system.

Sharing...?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

That is what it would take.
Because the NCAA has no desire whatsoever for a playoff system.
And the paltry sums are paltry for the big schools.

The International Bowl in balmy Canada on Saturday (you deftly left this big game of your big bowl contest) will give a very nice amount of money to Rutgers and Ball State. They would never see this money in a playoff system.

Sharing...?

The payoff for the international bowl is $750k per team, which is before expenses. They would make more money if they held a bake sale.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The payoff for the international bowl is $750k per team, which is before expenses. They would make more money if they held a bake sale.

These teams will make money.
Plane tickets and hotel rooms etc... paid for.
They would never have been in a playoff.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

These teams will make money.
Plane tickets and hotel rooms etc... paid for.
They would never have been in a playoff.

Not true. I just read where Ohio State LOST money last year and that was being in the national championship game. If I can find it I will post it.

They dont have to play in the playoff to benefit. Like the NCAA basketball tourney, the conferences would all get a slice which would be divided up among all the teams. Why do you think there are 340 Division 1 basketball teams? For the tourney money. Even the **** sack conferences get a piece of the action.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by pgardn

These teams will make money.
Plane tickets and hotel rooms etc... paid for.
They would never have been in a playoff.

In the system I want they would still be in the exact same bowl!

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

In the system I want they would still be in the exact same bowl!

So you can assure San Antonio that it will get a Big 12 and a Big 10 team and fill the Alamo Bowl, which now happens every year?

If you got that plan, you need to get it to the guys who put the Bowl's on for the various cities. I am sure the NCAA will go along once the money going to right sources.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wont work.
All the diff. Bowl's would have to vie for the playoff games.
You have to deal with the Bowl committee's and the University
Presidents and AD's. This is a cash cow as it stands right now.
The bowl games have made huge amounts of money this year.

Then you have the problem of a "home game" being given to a lower seed.
The Rose Bowl will not go away. Which of the playoff games do you give the Rose Bowl? Tis a mess. Heck its not just the Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, they all want their piece. And they got their piece right now. I dont know how one would divy up the playoff games thru these entities (this includes the NCAA) that control everything. There is no single TV network that can come in and say hey you guys lets straighten this thing out with a playoff system and we can all make more money.
If say... NBC tried this, the Bowl would just go to a diff TV network and say NBC no longer is in the running for the money our Bowl will generate, the bidding is now between... it is a real mess.

The round of 16 and round of 8 would not be Bowl games. They would all be played at the site of the higher seed. Two Bowls would be associated with the playoffs each year as the semifinal games. Those Bowls would rotate between the normal BCS Bowls. The other BCS Bowls that aren't in the playoffs would get first choice of all teams but the 4 in the playoffs. Any year the Rose Bowl isn't in the playoffs they would get their B10-P10 matchup.

If they build it they will work it out with the TV Networks. That is the least of their worries. The networks will be tripping over each other trying to get the rights.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Then you have the problem of a "home game" being given to a lower seed.
The Rose Bowl will not go away. Which of the playoff games do you give the Rose Bowl? Tis a mess. Heck its not just the Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, they all want their piece. And they got their piece right now. I dont know how one would divy up the playoff games thru these entities (this includes the NCAA) that control everything.

And my question remains. Why does the Rose Bowl have any say over anything? I dont give a damn about the Rose Bowl, it's parade or tradition and I'm sure that most other fans would agree. If you put USC and Georgia on a high school field and called it the Derby Trail Bowl it would be more appealing and would get better ratings. Why are old white guys in Orange sport jackets calling the shots unless there is lot of pockets being lined?

[SniperSB23]

Come to think of it you would actually be improving the BCS bowls overall with the system I want. Two of the BCS bowls in the playoffs would be getting the top four teams. The next four best teams would meet in the non-playoff BCS Bowls. So the four BCS Bowls would get the top 8 teams. Currently the four BCS Bowls get teams 3 through 10. It would trickle all the way down with everyone moving up a notch.

Here is how you keep all the BCS Bowls happy. Two of the four BCS bowls each year are in the playoffs so are happy. One isn't in the playoffs but plays host to the National Championship game so they are very happy. The odd team out each year gets to pick the premier matchup from every team not in the final four for their bowl game (which will likely result in a better game than they currently have). The bowls all rotate each year so even if the last scenario is least favorable you only have to endure it once every four years.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And my question remains. Why does the Rose Bowl have any say over anything? I dont give a damn about the Rose Bowl, it's parade or tradition and I'm sure that most other fans would agree. If you put USC and Georgia on a high school field and called it the Derby Trail Bowl it would be more appealing and would get better ratings. Why are old white guys in Orange sport jackets calling the shots unless there is lot of pockets being lined?

If you can come up with a system that would insure all the fanfare and money associated with the Rose Bowl, from the parade to all the Illinois fans who like a little Winter vacation, get er done.

There is a good reason for the Bowl's going after the fans that travel from cold climates. There is a reason the Alamo Bowl now always invites a big Ten team now and matches them with a Big 12 team. Huge amount of money for the city who hosts the games.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If you can come up with a system that would insure all the fanfare and money associated with the Rose Bowl, from the parade to all the Illinois fans who like a little Winter vacation, get er done.

There is a good reason for the Bowl's going after the fans that travel from cold climates. There is a reason the Alamo Bowl now always invites a big Ten team now and matches them with a Big 12 team. Huge amount of money for the city who hosts the games.

Yeah they have a contract with the conferences.

And if a playoff were instituted, it would make the Rose Bowl and all its crap look like a county fair.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Yeah they have a contract with the conferences.

And if a playoff were instituted, it would make the Rose Bowl and all its crap look like a county fair.

Can you assure San Antonio gets a playoff game... or two? ANd that the fans show up in the hotel rooms? And visit the River Walk restaurants? Cause you got to give some money to the city...

This is part of the problem. Who gets what.

ANd of course the kids get to travel on the team.
Very important for recruiting for Ball State... "Hey, we went to a bowl game last year and had an ice sculpture contest in Toronto"

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Can you assure San Antonio gets a playoff game... or two? ANd that the fans show up in the hotel rooms? And visit the River Walk restaurants? Cause you got to give some money to the city...

This is part of the problem. Who gets what.

I'm sure that the City of San Antonio will survive the loss of the Alamo Bowl. It has been around for 150 years without it. Maybe they can get the Saints back. Then it can be the Alamo Bowl 8 weekends a year