CushionTrack: "We'll fix or replace SA surface"

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Danzig

true. but i'd image plenty of track employees are happy to have bettors, as are much of the staff for trainers, etc, since thousands of races not called the ky derby would disappear. no need for thousands of workers nationwide for a handful of good horses and wealthy owners.

Im sure they are tooo , Im not saying that racing doesnt need betters , Im saying that having a track that is not the way it supposed to be and having people say well they get what they deserve , they themselves are being selfish because they have no idea how it screws up the training of the horses , you know the things they gamble on .

[sumitas]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im sure they are tooo , Im not saying that racing doesnt need betters , Im saying that having a track that is not the way it supposed to be and having people say well they get what they deserve , they themselves are being selfish because they have no idea how it screws up the training of the horses , you know the things they gamble on .

You are not on a soap box. Thank you for telling it like it is despite cheap shots to you that have nothing to do with the Santa Anita surface. Which is the topic of this thread.

[blackthroatedwind]

As if we needed more proof.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

As if we needed more proof.

I don't play California tracks and don't know a lot about them but I do know Del Mar was up 3-4% in handle this year and Hollywood had good results as well. So bettors, overall, seem to be ok with the track surfaces. At least it seems that way to me.

[Dunbar]

What an unfortunate thread. You two are both way better than this thread. Honu cares about the horses she works with. BTW stresses the importance of bettors to the game itself. These are not contradictory positions, no matter how hard you and others in this thread try to make it look like they are. Focussing on single throwaway lines ("deserve what they get" or "we foot the bill for the entire show") distorts the discussion. It's like you are each in an argument with someone who isn't there.

--Dunbar

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Dunbar

What an unfortunate thread. You two are both way better than this thread. Honu cares about the horses she works with. BTW stresses the importance of bettors to the game itself. These are not contradictory positions, no matter how hard you and others in this thread try to make it look like they are. Focussing on single throwaway lines ("deserve what they get" or "we foot the bill for the entire show") distorts the discussion. It's like you are each in an argument with someone who isn't there.

--Dunbar

You make a valid point, to a certain extent, but we do foot the bill. I am all for backstretch worker's rights, and wish they were all treated well, but that doesn't mean I will allow someone who works on the backstretch to insist that their job does not depend on bettors. That is simply not true. Without us wagering there is no show.....period.

I think it would be unfortunate if people felt that the backstretch community does not care a great deal about the bettors. Many are acutely aware that without us there's no game to play. Honu is not aware of this. She claims that there would be racing on phantom estates and she would be employed by some Lord of the Manor in his pursuit to best his fellow bon vivants.

I don't agree.

[Rootdog1]

I am guessing it was an emotionally charged response. She cares, and that is as important a point as the one you two are bickering over. I see both your points, although you are expressing/communicating yours better...but lets keep the gloves up a bit.

By the way Mr. BTW, wouldnt you be out of a job without the bettors? (just trying to bring you two closer together here)

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You make a valid point, to a certain extent, but we do foot the bill. I am all for backstretch worker's rights, and wish they were all treated well, but that doesn't mean I will allow someone who works on the backstretch to insist that their job does not depend on bettors. That is simply not true. Without us wagering there is no show.....period.

I think it would be unfortunate if people felt that the backstretch community does not care a great deal about the bettors. Many are acutely aware that without us there's no game to play. Honu is not aware of this. She claims that there would be racing on phantom estates and she would be employed by some Lord of the Manor in his pursuit to best his fellow bon vivants.

I don't agree.

In the city I live there was a 2 small tracks in which there was no wagering. Now the owners had wagers with each other. Parking was free, you could just go watch horses run. And it was quite fun. When Texas legalized racing these venues of course disappeared. Bill all footed by owners. Of course if you wanted to bet another person at the track you could. No track outtake.

I realize this is small potatoes. But it existed and thrived. You got a show for free.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You make a valid point, to a certain extent, but we do foot the bill. I am all for backstretch worker's rights, and wish they were all treated well, but that doesn't mean I will allow someone who works on the backstretch to insist that their job does not depend on bettors. That is simply not true. Without us wagering there is no show.....period.

I think it would be unfortunate if people felt that the backstretch community does not care a great deal about the bettors. Many are acutely aware that without us there's no game to play. Honu is not aware of this. She claims that there would be racing on phantom estates and she would be employed by some Lord of the Manor in his pursuit to best his fellow bon vivants.

I don't agree.

Man , I do get that gamblers fuel the sport havent I said that ? But much more than you and much more than me the owners and horses fuel it and without a track that functions properly its hard to prepare the horses to compete at their best so you can wager on them. The people my boss trains for are not in need of the purse money to stay in the game , if they were they wouldnt go spend 20 million or more a year on racing because I dont believe they ever get a return on that investment .
And you better get a grip with the fact that NO ONE is thinking about you when they lead a horse over for a race , Im sorry if this hurts your feelings but it is what it is , its all about the horse and hitting the wire in front .

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You make a valid point, to a certain extent, but we do foot the bill. I am all for backstretch worker's rights, and wish they were all treated well, but that doesn't mean I will allow someone who works on the backstretch to insist that their job does not depend on bettors. That is simply not true. Without us wagering there is no show.....period.

I think it would be unfortunate if people felt that the backstretch community does not care a great deal about the bettors. Many are acutely aware that without us there's no game to play. Honu is not aware of this. She claims that there would be racing on phantom estates and she would be employed by some Lord of the Manor in his pursuit to best his fellow bon vivants.

I don't agree.

You see, you are still carrying on a one-sided argument. You are making statements like "we do foot the bill" and "Honu is not aware of this." Excuse me?

Honu wrote this earlier in the thread: "I know that gambling is what fuels most of the sport...". So what is she not aware of? She went on to add, "... but let me tell you something , if they just raced for a trophy and bragging rights in the Kentucky Derby there would still be horses running in it ." I think that is correct. There wouldn't be much other racing, but there would probably still be a Triple Crown. I don't think Honu ever suggested that the sport would be anything like it is today without the bettors.

I don't think Honu ever stated that she would still have a job if betting disappeared from the sport. But you are suggesting she did say that.

I'm not taking sides in this. You are both guilty of personal attacks and putting words in the mouth of the other during this thread.

--Dunbar