CushionTrack: "We'll fix or replace SA surface"

[Honu]

Serves them right ? Who is they the horseman? Because thats who is getting the short end of the stick , the owners who spend millions of dollars a year buying horses and racing them , the people who work with the horses everyday. There are still less fatalities on this surface than the dirt one they had , and yes it does suck the big one that it doesnt drain properly , but to say they deserve what they get is just assnine.
I dont see this surface playing any diffirent speed wise and form wise than the old one , horses still crack 21 1/4's which is just absurd , but it seems to be what the public and alot of horseman want.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Honu

Serves them right ? Who is they the horseman? Because thats who is getting the short end of the stick , the owners who spend millions of dollars a year buying horses and racing them , the people who work with the horses everyday. There are still less fatalities on this surface than the dirt one they had , and yes it does suck the big one that it doesnt drain properly , but to say they deserve what they get is just assnine.
I dont see this surface playing any diffirent speed wise and form wise than the old one , horses still crack 21 1/4's which is just absurd , but it seems to be what the public and alot of horseman want.

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. there's going to be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. they'll be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

I've only played the Malibu so far at Santa Anita. Some of it has to do with a holiday break , but much of it is that I am not too interested in what I saw.
I'm sure I will get back into it. Hard to stay out of Cali in the winter.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. there's going to be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

But tell me how is cracking 22 , 44 and 108 and change any diffirent from the old track..... speed still holds , horses still runs fast times , I just dont see the diffirence.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

it's a gambler thing.

change is hard. they have a system down and then the parameter's change. there's going to be some blowback.

those opposed to manufactured surfaces will make this the poster child for their cause. it's the end of the world.

doesn't matter that hollypark reduced injuries. i can't use my usual handicapping on these surfaces. it's not worth the learning curve.

Yeah I'm hoping the NCAA and NFL wise up and go to tag instead of contact because players get hurt and some actually die from playing football.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah I'm hoping the NCAA and NFL wise up and go to tag instead of contact because players get hurt and some actually die from playing football.

i'm hoping they make them play with small monkey's on their backs.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'm hoping they make them play with small monkey's on their backs.

Yeah and then maybe they'll get the hysterical tree hugger fanbase they've always coveted. That would be epic.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah and then maybe they'll get the hysterical tree hugger fanbase they've always coveted. That would be epic.

i think it's more the monty python salvador dali fanbase that would get this.

on second thought...

who wouldn't watch football played with monkeys on the player's?

i know i would.

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i think it's more the monty python salvador dali fanbase that would get this.

on second thought...

who wouldn't watch football played with monkeys on the player's?

i know i would.

I might actually watch a little NFL if they did...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Serves them right ? Who is they the horseman? Because thats who is getting the short end of the stick , the owners who spend millions of dollars a year buying horses and racing them , the people who work with the horses everyday. There are still less fatalities on this surface than the dirt one they had , and yes it does suck the big one that it doesnt drain properly , but to say they deserve what they get is just assnine.
I dont see this surface playing any diffirent speed wise and form wise than the old one , horses still crack 21 1/4's which is just absurd , but it seems to be what the public and alot of horseman want.

It's a bad attitude to put yourself ahead of the horseplayers if you work on the backstretch.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's a bad attitude to put yourself ahead of the horseplayers if you work on the backstretch.

I have a bad attitude? Whatever........the horseman are who are suffering thru this demise , the track still plays fast , a handicapper can still use speed in his fugures . I work for a trainer , not a gambler , my concern is with preparing the horses for the races so people can come and do what they do.
The owners that employ my boss are very wealthy and even when they dont win races for long stretches at a time they still have plenty of money to spend , you think B. Wayne Hughes needs purse money to stay in the game ? think again , he doesnt. I know that gambling is what fuels most of the sport , but let me tell you something , if they just raced for a trophy and bragging rights in the Kentucky Derby there would still be horses running in it .

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

I have a bad attitude? Whatever........the horseman are who are suffering thru this demise , the track still plays fast , a handicapper can still use speed in his fugures . I work for a trainer , not a gambler , my concern is with preparing the horses for the races so people can come and do what they do.
The owners that employ my boss are very wealthy and even when they dont win races for long stretches at a time they still have plenty of money to spend , you think B. Wayne Hughes needs purse money to stay in the game ? think again , he doesnt. I know that gambling is what fuels most of the sport , but let me tell you something , if they just raced for a trophy and bragging rights in the Kentucky Derby there would still be horses running in it .

It's unfortunate that you're so self-centered and narrow minded.

The good news is that many on the backstretch don't share your myopic view of the game and situation. I hope people here realize that.

If they ran for no purse money where do you think you would be working?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

It's unfortunate that you're so self-centered and narrow minded.

The good news is that many on the backstretch don't share your myopic view of the game and situation. I hope people here realize that.

If they ran for no purse money where do you think you would be working?

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

[ALostTexan]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

No, a great deal of them have the $2 coming back to their pocket which comes from....of yeah, the gamblers...

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

I dont disregard you , but you are not who Im thinking about when Im preparing a horse for a race Im sorry if that hurts your feelings. Im not thinking about you when we have to train on the training track for a week , Im sorry , you just dont cross my mind , I understand the big picture but I still and always will put the horses before you , its just the way it is.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You just can't get off your soap box long enough to understand the whole picture. I have the utmost respect for the people on the backstretch and the enormous amount of hard work they put forth for very little financial reward. I have the greatest respect for the animals as well. However, I don't have respect for the notion that the horseplayers interests are secondary to others as, very simply, we foot the bill for the entire show and have little to no say about anything ( partly because of backwards attitudes like yours ). The simple fact is that you could not make any living in this game without us and to completely disregard us, as you do, deserves my ultimate derision.

I didn't make any " they deserve what they get " kind of remarks. I am simply pointing out your unfortunate misunderstanding of the big picture. I care for the welfare of everyone in the game.....you don't.

You have left another player out of the equation.
The owner to help put on the show. The vast majority of
which lose money. So I guess the WE also takes into account
the owners.
So the picture is a little bigger.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Honu

Im self centered? What about you , you think its ok that someone says they get what they deserve when the track is messed up with no regard to the horses and how it screws up training.
You are such a condensending person ..... Its all about gambling yada yada yada.......well you know what its not , its about a living breathing animal , its about the time and care it takes preparing them for competition . Do you really think the groom or the hotwalker or the trainer or owner or anyone involved with the horse in the race has your 2 dollars on their mind when that horse is in the starting gate? They dont , they are thinking about all the hardwork that has went into it , they are thinking about hoping that the horse comes back ok. If that is self -centered then shame on me for thinking about the product and not you .

I would like to go on record...I am NOT Honu

[alysheba4]

the good news is i just saved money on my car insurance...........

[SniperSB23]

Any track where In Summation can beat Idiot Proof is certainly nothing like dirt.