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Old 01-02-2008, 02:51 PM
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Old 01-02-2008, 02:54 PM
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One issue I have with the sheets or TG at smaller tracks like Tampa is that I question the that the information gathered is as precise as with the bigger tracks or that as much time is put into figuring the numbers. There is also the matter of determining the effect of trouble on the final figure. Was it a point? or 3? Not that any of it matters really...
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Old 01-02-2008, 03:01 PM
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One issue I have with the sheets or TG at smaller tracks like Tampa is that I question the that the information gathered is as precise as with the bigger tracks or that as much time is put into figuring the numbers. There is also the matter of determining the effect of trouble on the final figure. Was it a point? or 3? Not that any of it matters really...
I agree. I don't trust Delaware or Maryland numbers at all. I do trust Arlington numbers 100% as I know the guy that does it, still does it by hand with one of those over sized note cards, he is very sharp IMO
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Old 01-02-2008, 04:13 PM
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I agree. I don't trust Delaware or Maryland numbers at all. I do trust Arlington numbers 100% as I know the guy that does it, still does it by hand with one of those over sized note cards, he is very sharp IMO
Roger Vice? Or that curly haired guy with the coke-bottle glasses?
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Old 01-02-2008, 04:37 PM
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Roger Vice? Or that curly haired guy with the coke-bottle glasses?
I don't know either of them personally, but I know who you are speaking of, both people....the 2nd guy is real serious

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Old 01-02-2008, 04:53 PM
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I don't know either of them personally, but I know who you are speaking of, both people....the 2nd guy is real serious

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Old 01-02-2008, 05:11 PM
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My recollection is that points are not subtracted (lower the number the better) on Thorograph when a horse is taken up or encounters trouble. Thus the number that KnS received in Tampa does not reflect the trouble that she encountered. In that sense, it is somewhat of a hidden number.....

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Old 01-02-2008, 03:41 PM
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One issue I have with the sheets or TG at smaller tracks like Tampa is that I question the that the information gathered is as precise as with the bigger tracks or that as much time is put into figuring the numbers. There is also the matter of determining the effect of trouble on the final figure. Was it a point? or 3? Not that any of it matters really...
Needing more room? The Colonial downs Secretariat turf course is perfect for that nice late kick.Sweeping wide turns & a long drive home to the wire
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One issue I have with the sheets or TG at smaller tracks like Tampa is that I question the that the information gathered is as precise as with the bigger tracks or that as much time is put into figuring the numbers. There is also the matter of determining the effect of trouble on the final figure. Was it a point? or 3? Not that any of it matters really...
I do not trust the Tampa TG's....at all.

Bigger tracks only for me.
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:02 PM
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if you guys don't trust the TG #s certain places how about the beyer #s at those tracks?
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:20 PM
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I don't fully trust any figures.

I usually use them as a tiebreaker or a quick way to eliminate horses that can't contend. Beyers at Tampa are okay, the tougher task is to compare figs (any figs) for horses shipping in from other tracks and somehow coming up with the best horse. That is part of why you can usually see some big prices at the beginning of a meet. Once horses have run over a track a couple times, it becomes easier to identify contenders and the prices seem to settle down.
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agree 100%.
you can sometimes get a feel for which tracks might have numbers that are 'off' (good and bad) by noticing how well the invaders are doing.
as long as they appear consistent they are useful.
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In this race I'll believe my eyeballs. And KNS made them pop with her late speed and stride. She ran super
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I don't fully trust any figures.

I usually use them as a tiebreaker or a quick way to eliminate horses that can't contend. Beyers at Tampa are okay, the tougher task is to compare figs (any figs) for horses shipping in from other tracks and somehow coming up with the best horse. That is part of why you can usually see some big prices at the beginning of a meet. Once horses have run over a track a couple times, it becomes easier to identify contenders and the prices seem to settle down.
It becomes easier to identify contenders and tougher to find overlays when things regress to the norm....
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if you guys don't trust the TG #s certain places how about the beyer #s at those tracks?
Beyers in WV always seem too high
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Is that Mr. Charles? Just need to know for future reference.
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It was going to be Sir Charles....but that was already taken....
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it's Charles or Mr. Simon
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