BCS shafted Mizzou and the fans....

[ddthetide]

Originally Posted by rontheman1964

Watching Georgia pound Hawaii and thinking how much better this game would have been if Missouri was in Hawaii's place. Is it Missouri's fault that this year 3 of the top 10 teams play in the Big 12 conference?

Heck, I would have welcomed the idea of them playing in the Rose Bowl instead of watching the Illini struggle to get out of their own way.

I even heard Oklahoma offered to go to the Orange Bowl this year instead of making their second straight trip to the Fiesta Bowl and give their fans a change of scenery. The conference money would be the same since they would take Kansas' place and send the Jayhawks to the Fiesta instead. Plus they are the higher BCS seed and they would face the higher seed in Va Tech. Alas, the BCS ruled against this idea. I think afraid of schools setting up their own "highest rated opponent" and setting the groundwork of the fans and media wanting the next step....a playoff.

One more complaint. If the BCS is worried about one conference getting too many teams in the BCS games; why aren't they the least concerned about where teams play? Why have conference ties? Is anyone else tired of watcing USC play a home game in the Rose Bowl? Wouldn't you love to see a good SEC team show up to play USC instead of an average Big 10 team? Or better yet, send USC to the Sugar Bowl to play an SEC team? It's as bad as when a team had to go to the Orange Bowl to play one of the schools from Florida.

Well, that's about it for tonite. The rest of the BCS games look pretty predictable as far as who will win; it's just a matter of the pointspreads.

i heard a very good explaination of this in the last 2 weeks. SOME of the playoff problem and MOST of the conference tie in, is the Pac-10. it was explained that the Pac-10 wants that Rose Bowl Big-10 tie and won't listen to anything else and the Rose Bowl reps are lock-step with the Pac-10. so Illinois lands there when there were better games possible. Pac-10 is even opposed to the plus 1 game. as much as i love college football it's REALLY turned into a big joke.

[jpops757]

Conspiracy, the real reason for all the bowls and no playoffs? The NFL.$$$$$$$$. How much national attention is generated by 90% of the bowl games. If they were part of a system to determine the Nat Champ, what a cash cow. This would move the NFL from the front page and dilute from the nfl and there money hold.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jpops757

Conspiracy, the real reason for all the bowls and no playoffs? The NFL.$$$$$$$$. How much national attention is generated by 90% of the bowl games. If they were part of a system to determine the Nat Champ, what a cash cow. This would move the NFL from the front page and dilute from the nfl and there money hold.

32 nfl teams.
over 120 1-a teams, and half get a bowl berth. how large of a post season would there be to include that amount to make up for loss of a bowl.

good luck with that.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

32 nfl teams.
over 120 1-a teams, and half get a bowl berth. how large of a post season would there be to include that amount to make up for loss of a bowl.

good luck with that.

You keep the bowl system and have a 16 team playoff. Play the round of 16 on Thanksgiving weekend and the round of 8 the following week at the sites of the higher ranked teams. You then use two bowls for the semi-finals and populate all the remaining bowls using the teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs along with the 12 teams already eliminated from the playoffs. The week following New Years you have the National Championship Game. Now there's your cash cow.

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

You keep the bowl system and have a 16 team playoff. Play the round of 16 on Thanksgiving weekend and the round of 8 the following week at the sites of the higher ranked teams. You then use two bowls for the semi-finals and populate all the remaining bowls using the teams that didn't qualify for the playoffs along with the 12 teams already eliminated from the playoffs. The week following New Years you have the National Championship Game. Now there's your cash cow.

Wont work.
All the diff. Bowl's would have to vie for the playoff games.
You have to deal with the Bowl committee's and the University
Presidents and AD's. This is a cash cow as it stands right now.
The bowl games have made huge amounts of money this year.

Then you have the problem of a "home game" being given to a lower seed.
The Rose Bowl will not go away. Which of the playoff games do you give the Rose Bowl? Tis a mess. Heck its not just the Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, they all want their piece. And they got their piece right now. I dont know how one would divy up the playoff games thru these entities (this includes the NCAA) that control everything. There is no single TV network that can come in and say hey you guys lets straighten this thing out with a playoff system and we can all make more money.
If say... NBC tried this, the Bowl would just go to a diff TV network and say NBC no longer is in the running for the money our Bowl will generate, the bidding is now between... it is a real mess.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wont work.
All the diff. Bowl's would have to vie for the playoff games.
You have to deal with the Bowl committee's and the University
Presidents and AD's. This is a cash cow as it stands right now.
The bowl games have made huge amounts of money this year.

But the bowl games are not owned by the NCAA, they are privately held. Instead of wasting time chasing baseball players that may or may not have taken PED's, Congress should look at this system and try to figure out why a few college presidents and commissioners are so interested in making money for others. The paltry sums that are now awarded to colleges would pale in comparison to a playoff system.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

But the bowl games are not owned by the NCAA, they are privately held. Instead of wasting time chasing baseball players that may or may not have taken PED's, Congress should look at this system and try to figure out why a few college presidents and commissioners are so interested in making money for others. The paltry sums that are now awarded to colleges would pale in comparison to a playoff system.

That is what it would take.
Because the NCAA has no desire whatsoever for a playoff system.
And the paltry sums are paltry for the big schools.

The International Bowl in balmy Canada on Saturday (you deftly left this big game of your big bowl contest) will give a very nice amount of money to Rutgers and Ball State. They would never see this money in a playoff system.

Sharing...?

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Wont work.
All the diff. Bowl's would have to vie for the playoff games.
You have to deal with the Bowl committee's and the University
Presidents and AD's. This is a cash cow as it stands right now.
The bowl games have made huge amounts of money this year.

Then you have the problem of a "home game" being given to a lower seed.
The Rose Bowl will not go away. Which of the playoff games do you give the Rose Bowl? Tis a mess. Heck its not just the Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, they all want their piece. And they got their piece right now. I dont know how one would divy up the playoff games thru these entities (this includes the NCAA) that control everything. There is no single TV network that can come in and say hey you guys lets straighten this thing out with a playoff system and we can all make more money.
If say... NBC tried this, the Bowl would just go to a diff TV network and say NBC no longer is in the running for the money our Bowl will generate, the bidding is now between... it is a real mess.

The round of 16 and round of 8 would not be Bowl games. They would all be played at the site of the higher seed. Two Bowls would be associated with the playoffs each year as the semifinal games. Those Bowls would rotate between the normal BCS Bowls. The other BCS Bowls that aren't in the playoffs would get first choice of all teams but the 4 in the playoffs. Any year the Rose Bowl isn't in the playoffs they would get their B10-P10 matchup.

If they build it they will work it out with the TV Networks. That is the least of their worries. The networks will be tripping over each other trying to get the rights.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Then you have the problem of a "home game" being given to a lower seed.
The Rose Bowl will not go away. Which of the playoff games do you give the Rose Bowl? Tis a mess. Heck its not just the Rose Bowl, the Orange Bowl, the Sugar Bowl, they all want their piece. And they got their piece right now. I dont know how one would divy up the playoff games thru these entities (this includes the NCAA) that control everything.

And my question remains. Why does the Rose Bowl have any say over anything? I dont give a damn about the Rose Bowl, it's parade or tradition and I'm sure that most other fans would agree. If you put USC and Georgia on a high school field and called it the Derby Trail Bowl it would be more appealing and would get better ratings. Why are old white guys in Orange sport jackets calling the shots unless there is lot of pockets being lined?

[SniperSB23]

Come to think of it you would actually be improving the BCS bowls overall with the system I want. Two of the BCS bowls in the playoffs would be getting the top four teams. The next four best teams would meet in the non-playoff BCS Bowls. So the four BCS Bowls would get the top 8 teams. Currently the four BCS Bowls get teams 3 through 10. It would trickle all the way down with everyone moving up a notch.

Here is how you keep all the BCS Bowls happy. Two of the four BCS bowls each year are in the playoffs so are happy. One isn't in the playoffs but plays host to the National Championship game so they are very happy. The odd team out each year gets to pick the premier matchup from every team not in the final four for their bowl game (which will likely result in a better game than they currently have). The bowls all rotate each year so even if the last scenario is least favorable you only have to endure it once every four years.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

And my question remains. Why does the Rose Bowl have any say over anything? I dont give a damn about the Rose Bowl, it's parade or tradition and I'm sure that most other fans would agree. If you put USC and Georgia on a high school field and called it the Derby Trail Bowl it would be more appealing and would get better ratings. Why are old white guys in Orange sport jackets calling the shots unless there is lot of pockets being lined?

If you can come up with a system that would insure all the fanfare and money associated with the Rose Bowl, from the parade to all the Illinois fans who like a little Winter vacation, get er done.

There is a good reason for the Bowl's going after the fans that travel from cold climates. There is a reason the Alamo Bowl now always invites a big Ten team now and matches them with a Big 12 team. Huge amount of money for the city who hosts the games.