Doc Cheney

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm just going to be stubborn and marry myself to hating him. But, the field is far from special, so I suppose he's not completely impossible. Maybe all the other speeds will lose their riders at the break and he will go 25 and 50.

I'm trying to get all the trips from Mel's Hope. What a nightmare; there are so many trouble lines in the race.

I'm just joking around with you.

While I think this horse is talented and doesn't necessarily need the lead, he'll be compromised by the outside post and have to go, and just won't be enough of a price against more experienced horses. I can't see this race collapsing as badly as the Mel's Hope, however. Better jocks are in town and maybe we'll get some better and more patient rides, finally.

I think the Frances Genter will be a better betting race.

[blackthroatedwind]

I guess that means you're not thrilled with Rutherian.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess that means you're not thrilled with Rutherian.

That runt sneaking up the rail in SAR, while I got the two widest trips in the race, was one of my worst beats of the year. I loathe her.

I've been waiting for Sweet Ransom, of all horses, since her last race at KEE. While I've never thought much of her, I just really like her last race and think she'll be a decent price; and I get Snow Cone in the package. Still need to do alot more work on the race, however.

[philcski]

I'm liking Buffalo Man at 10-1 in the PAx. Moves to the surface he's bred for, draws the world's best rider, and figures to get a nice stalking trip.

[blackthroatedwind]

So apparently nobody is interested in watching the replay of Doc Cheney's last race. Too bad.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So apparently nobody is interested in watching the replay of Doc Cheney's last race. Too bad.

I looked at the replay. OUtside of finishing poorly, what did you find wrong with the ride?

[ArlJim78]

Don Cheney was nice and wide on both turns last time, also seemed to be pushed up on the backside rather quickly, given the hot pace it probably took a lot out of him.

looking back at his previous performances, he has a pretty strong finish but needs to run longer before being asked.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I looked at the replay. OUtside of finishing poorly, what did you find wrong with the ride?

You're kidding me....right? That was a totally pathetic ride ( I think ArlJim pointed it out fairly well ). He was wide on both turns, after being shuffled back at the start, and was absurdly rushed on the backstretch. It's amazing the horse finished as well as he did considering.

However, I don't agree with Phil that it was a biased track that day. I thought it was fairly even.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

You're kidding me....right? That was a totally pathetic ride ( I think ArlJim pointed it out fairly well ). He was wide on both turns, after being shuffled back at the start, and was absurdly rushed on the backstretch. It's amazing the horse finished as well as he did considering.

However, I don't agree with Phil that it was a biased track that day. I thought it was fairly even.

Alright. I went back and took a closer look.

I can't get too excited about this horse going 3 wide on the turns, however

I noticed a few things as, this time, I looked at the headon

1) the 5 hits him out of the gate and costs him position

2) he's the only horse making up ground from the start to the 2nd qtr

but this horse is never asked to run until the 2nd turn; he's being loose reigned on the 1st turn, running on his own. he's compromised by the trouble at the start but he's never 'absurdly rushed'.

clearly, however, he ran more than the others, making, essentially, 2 moves in the race, and, I suppose, an argument could be made that he threatens the winner with a better trip.

[blackthroatedwind]

Fair enough. We disagree slightly....which is good.

I guess the trainer agrees more with you as he's riding the incompetent back. Did you, by any chance, catch Ortiz's performance in the 7th race today?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So apparently nobody is interested in watching the replay of Doc Cheney's last race. Too bad.

I saw the race, because it was that big carryover so it was the last time I paid any attention to Aqu- this is the kind of horse that you bet back on the inner. Ran credibly despite being shuffled back and hung wide both turns on a definitively rail biased racetrack. While it's technically a move up in class the horse that won that race would likely be favored against this field. He's certainly better than his 12-1 odds and with the post he definitely can make the lead and the rail- the horse inside him should offer little resistance for that. I like the play.