The Pats

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There is only one other QB who would put up those numbers in Brady's place.

I think you're wrong about that.

Here are the fraud that is known as Duante Culpepper's stats from Randy's last season in Minnesota compared to Brady's this year:

Duante: 379-for-548 (69.2% completions) 4,717 yards 39TD's 11 INT's
Brady: 366-for-536 (68.3% completions) 4,450 yards 48TD's 8 INT's

Moss caught 17 TD's with Duante that year - despite being slowed down by a hammy injury near the end of the season. He caught 21 TD's with Brady so far this year.

The Vikings defense that year would have to rate as the all-time worst defensive unit to ever be on a team that won a playoff game.

Culpepper threw just six TD's against 12 INT's and 3 lost fumbles (15 combined turnovers) in his first six games the next season - before suffering a season ending injury. It was almost as if he had to learn to play the qb position over again from scratch! That's how drastic the defenses changed.

Culpepper threw for almost 4K yards and 33 TD's in his rookie season. His true rookie season was when he lossed Moss.

A 35-year-old Randall Cunningham came out of retirement - and off of the bench - to lead the '98 Vikings to a 15-1 season and break the record for most points in a season (a record which NE will break this week) RC's qb rating was 108 - which reasonably compares to the 117.2 of Brady this year.

Jeff George went to the Pro Bowl and won a playoff game with Moss, guys like Gus Ferrotte and Todd Beauman had been named NFC offensive player of the week at the QB position for Minnesota.

I know Randy's stats showed a big decline his two years in Oakland, but people forget that he had 466 recieving yards after his first four games with the Raiders (Kerry Collins at qb) In his 5th game in Oakland, he injured his hammy on a deep ball in the 1st quarter. Left the game, and it was a year and three quarters of no production from him at that point.

He hobbled around the rest of '05 - and cashed in his chips for the '06 season.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I think you're wrong about that.

Here are the fraud that is known as Duante Culpepper's stats from Randy's last season in Minnesota compared to Brady's this year:

Duante: 379-for-548 (69.2% completions) 4,717 yards 39TD's 11 INT's
Brady: 366-for-536 (68.3% completions) 4,450 yards 48TD's 8 INT's

Moss caught 17 TD's with Duante that year - despite being slowed down by a hammy injury near the end of the season. He caught 21 TD's with Brady so far this year.

The Vikings defense that year would have to rate as the all-time worst defensive unit to ever be on a team that won a playoff game.

Culpepper threw just six TD's against 12 INT's and 3 lost fumbles (15 combined turnovers) in his first six games the next season - before suffering a season ending injury. It was almost as if he had to learn to play the qb position over again from scratch! That's how drastic the defenses changed.

Culpepper threw for almost 4K yards and 33 TD's in his rookie season. His true rookie season was when he lossed Moss.

A 35-year-old Randall Cunningham came out of retirement - and off of the bench - to lead the '98 Vikings to a 15-1 season and break the record for most points in a season (a record which NE will break this week) RC's qb rating was 108 - which reasonably compares to the 117.2 of Brady this year.

Jeff George went to the Pro Bowl and won a playoff game with Moss, guys like Gus Ferrotte and Todd Beauman had been named NFC offensive player of the week at the QB position for Minnesota.

I know Randy's stats showed a big decline his two years in Oakland, but people forget that he had 466 recieving yards after his first four games with the Raiders (Kerry Collins at qb) In his 5th game in Oakland, he injured his hammy on a deep ball in the 1st quarter. Left the game, and it was a year and three quarters of no production from him at that point.

He hobbled around the rest of '05 - and cashed in his chips for the '06 season.

Outside of P. Manning, who else is there that would play as effectively as Brady has? Favre? No way, makes too many bad throws. Romo? Yeah right. Palmer? please. Ben? Not accurate enough. Cleo Lemon? Maybe.

[JJP]

I think the real key is stuff that doesn't show up in the stat books: the fear opposing defensive coordinators have of Moss. Welker is a nice complimentary player but he's not the guy constantly drawing double teams. He's not forcing teams into cover 2s to open up things for Maroney when they stay on the ground. I think there's only a handful of players who really scare DCs: Moss, TO, LT, Adrian Peterson (the Vikings one, not the Bears). Those guys make everyone else around them better.