Bhutto assassinated

[Cannon Shell]

Virtually any information out of places like Pakistian is shady at best, complete lies at worst. Americans must realize that as biased and flawed as our own media is, that most of what we hear as the general public about places like this and people like her is b.s.

I do know that if she was the enemy of people who blow themselves up then she probably was closer to friend than foe.

[Danzig]

i doubt she could be worse than ol pervez, who certainly seems to know how to work our current administration.
i hope they're able to figure out who was behind it. a damn shame tho.

Looks like a typical Thursday at Calder.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Looks like a typical Thursday at Calder.

LOL. Good picture.

Nice to see your sisters together again, enjoying a day at the races.

[ArlJim78]

I think its naive to see this as anything other than a political assassination.
even if it turns out that it was actually carried out by "extremists", al qaida, etc. It happened with the tacit approval of Musharraf who made sure there was no security for Bhutto.

The election should go on imo, Musharraf would be routed. But everyone is advising that it would be too chaotic to hold the election. don't let the thugs win.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I think its naive to see this as anything other than a political assassination.
even if it turns out that it was actually carried out by "extremists", al qaida, etc. It happened with the tacit approval of Musharraf who made sure there was no security for Bhutto.

The election should go on imo, Musharraf would be routed. But everyone is advising that it would be too chaotic to hold the election. don't let the thugs win.

Sharif don't like it
Rock the Casbah
Rock the Casbah

I liked The Clash.

Seems to me she chose to be a martyr.
The security was bad. She was told not
to go to many places and she did anyway.

I bet Cheney is telling GW this will stabilize things.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i doubt she could be worse than ol pervez, who certainly seems to know how to work our current administration.
i hope they're able to figure out who was behind it. a damn shame tho.

The General is more helpful than anyone else in that region. I believe there are far worse alternatives than him, especially considering that they have nukes.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The General is more helpful than anyone else in that region. I believe there are far worse alternatives than him, especially considering that they have nukes.

So you're saying a military dictatorship is preferable to a democracy? Just asking for clarification.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So you're saying a military dictatorship is preferable to a democracy? Just asking for clarification.

Would you rather fine individuals like Ahmadrnejad or Saddam at the helm with Nukes? The idea that democracy as it is known by us is going to take hold and everything will be ok is foolish. The fact that most Paki citizens support Bin Laden makes me question the gov't that they will elect. It is obviously a complex situation that no one on this board really understands because as I said before ALL information and news from places like this is shady regardless of whether it is CNN or the BBC reporting it. The evil forces of the world know how to manipulate the masses via the media just as the legitimate govt's do.

The bs coming out of there today saying that the lady was killed by hitting her head was obviously a message to someone because it is not the kind of thing that would be released without a reason. That they determined her death without an autoposy makes this "news" suspect. The reasoning behind it being introduced in an international press conference is the question. Dead is dead, death by bullet, bomb or head blow is just semantics.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Would you rather fine individuals like Ahmadrnejad or Saddam at the helm with Nukes? The idea that democracy as it is known by us is going to take hold and everything will be ok is foolish. The fact that most Paki citizens support Bin Laden makes me question the gov't that they will elect. It is obviously a complex situation that no one on this board really understands because as I said before ALL information and news from places like this is shady regardless of whether it is CNN or the BBC reporting it. The evil forces of the world know how to manipulate the masses via the media just as the legitimate govt's do.

The bs coming out of there today saying that the lady was killed by hitting her head was obviously a message to someone because it is not the kind of thing that would be released without a reason. That they determined her death without an autoposy makes this "news" suspect. The reasoning behind it being introduced in an international press conference is the question. Dead is dead, death by bullet, bomb or head blow is just semantics.

from what i gather from cnn.com if you just hit your head on the car sunroof and die you are not considered a martyr (even if bullets are grazing your skull and bombs are detonating all around you). If you get shot in the head and then hit it on the sunroof or get blown up than you are a martyr and that is a big deal to the Islams I guess. The guy that said she died by hitting her head does not want her to become a martyr according to cnn.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Would you rather fine individuals like Ahmadrnejad or Saddam at the helm with Nukes? The idea that democracy as it is known by us is going to take hold and everything will be ok is foolish.

Chuck,I wish you would of told this to GEEDUBBYA before he tried to get IRAQ to accept democracy.It's one thing to get rid of a dictator.It's a totally different thing to try to get Moslem's to accept Democracy.They worship a prophet who butchered those who wouldn't accept his authority.They are a lost cause.The name of the Islamic Democracies are? Jordan? Maybe? Malaysia is not a Democracy.Turkey is not a Democracy.You can't have a Democracy if you don't have a free press. The Anatolia News Agency doesn't cut it.You can't be a Democracy if ya have more rights for one sex than the other.What kind of Democracy has a state religion? A shitty one.What freedom of choice can one have(to choose a religion) when there is only one religion around you ? Islam is not pro -Democratic.So,don't ever expect those infected with it to amount to much.Right about now is where Somer injects the past sins of Christianity (to excuse the crap that ISLAM does 24/7.) Since I didn't say anything Pro Christian,I don't understand bringing up the Crusades( like it's an eraser for ISLAM to use over n' over again.)

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Chuck,I wish you would of told this to GEEDUBBYA before he tried to get IRAQ to accept democracy.It's one thing to get rid of a dictator.It's a totally different thing to try to get Moslem's to accept Democracy.They worship a prophet who butchered those who wouldn't accept his authority.They are a lost cause.The name of the Islamic Democracies are? Jordan? Maybe? Malaysia is not a Democracy.Turkey is not a Democracy.You can't have a Democracy if you don't have a free press. The Anatolia News Agency doesn't cut it.You can't be a Democracy if ya have more rights for one sex than the other.What kind of Democracy has a state religion? A shitty one.What freedom of choice can one have(to choose a religion) when there is only one religion around you ? Islam is not pro -Democratic.So,don't ever expect those infected with it to amount to much.Right about now is where Somer injects the past sins of Christianity (to excuse the crap that ISLAM does 24/7.) Since I didn't say anything Pro Christian,I don't understand bringing up the Crusades( like it's an eraser for ISLAM to use over n' over again.)

"Chuck,I wish you would of told this to GEEDUBBYA before he tried to get IRAQ to accept democracy."

we should have aimed lower. bombing civilazations into feudalism is a realistic possibility.

"The name of the Islamic Democracies are?"

say jordan.

"Jordan?"

that's a monarchy.

"Turkey is not a Democracy."

despite the popularly elected government and stuff.

"What kind of Democracy has a state religion?"

great britain.

"You can't be a Democracy if ya have more rights for one sex than the other."

america wasn't a democracy until 1920.

"Since I didn't say anything Pro Christian,I don't understand bringing up the Crusades"

intolerant and factually inaccurate but not pro christian isn't an excuse. the crusades.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

So you're saying a military dictatorship is preferable to a democracy? Just asking for clarification.

well obviously not.
the problem here is whether the country will descend into anarchy and civil war, which is quite a problem considering they have about 100 nukes lying around, and al quaeda would love to get them.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Why the hell have the gas prices here gone up a dime since she got offed?

Doesn't Pakistan import oil - thus meaning that you can't justify higher gas prices on the basis of this supposed newest excuse for unrest in the Middle East?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Why the hell have the gas prices here gone up a dime since she got offed?

Doesn't Pakistan import oil - thus meaning that you can't justify higher gas prices on the basis of this supposed newest excuse for unrest in the Middle East?

oil co's will use any pretense to jack up the price.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Virtually any information out of places like Pakistian is shady at best, complete lies at worst. Americans must realize that as biased and flawed as our own media is, that most of what we hear as the general public about places like this and people like her is b.s.

I do know that if she was the enemy of people who blow themselves up then she probably was closer to friend than foe.

You won't see anything informative on CNN, Fox or the networks, that's for sure. All you'll get is the two word sound-byte, "islamic extremists," uttered by politicians and analysts. Try BBC or The Jerusalem Post if you care to actually learn about that part of the world.

Funny, how when this kind of violence was going on in Ireland for decades, it was always political. Things haven't changed too much.

As an aside, Haliburton held up well in yesterday's sell-off. Imagine that.