Chris Antley

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I see.....it was Lukas's fault when you bet a horse he trained and it lost.

Thanks for clearing that up.

going wild got me twice..yet a have no hard feelings lol

[fpsoxfan]

The only problem I have with Lukas is this hard-on he has for Jockey's when it comes to the weight issue. He has no problem with a jockey basically slowly killing himself by flipping on a daily basis. He passes it off as basically the hazards that go along with the job.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with him.

If they raise the weights a few pounds, do you think that will eliminate flipping?

You are right Hoss, but that's a whole other argument. It's just his attitude in general in both interviews I've seen involving him on this issue. We can take the "It's Just their Job" attitude on a number of professions, but he just comes off a little to harsh for me. Other than that, I have no problem with the man.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

The most ridiculous thing in racing is that they keep the weights so low. Exercise riders who get on the horses every morning often weigh 140+.

People have evolved. They are much bigger now than 50 years ago. If you gave these guys an extra 10 pounds it would be a HUGE difference in their lives.

Yes it will make a big difference in the current jockey's lives, but there will always be another (slightly larger) group of riders that will flip to make the new higher weight.

Raising the weights for jocks will by no means eliminate the abuse they put themselves through to make weight.

Make the weight 130 and you'll have 140 pounders in the hot box and fipping like mad to make the 130.

[fpsoxfan]

This thread has taken many interesting paths

Chris Antley
Kent D.
Lukas
Flipping

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you raise it 10 pounds don't you think you will have people who were once a bit too big to be a jockey, now trying to be one. How do you think they will trying to make weight? Probably the same way. No matter how high or low the weights are, someone will be a bit too big and will be doing things not too healthy to try and make weight.

I don't see that as a reason not to raise weights. It's far easier to find humans who can remain healthy at a weight 10lbs over current, especially women. We shouldn't ignore that people have gotten markedly bigger over the last 100 years. Why do you think so few Americans (comparably) are jockeys? Americans have reaped the health and nutritional benefits of living here for decades and decades, compared to people from many other countries. We're huge.

And I think Lucas got really tired of tons of reporters asking him about the wonderfully close personal relationship between Antley and Charismatic, and finally set them straight.

Antley was a very gifted jockey. It's a shame he succumbed to his personal demons, it seemed so promising for him the last year of his life, with a new wife and baby.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't see that as a reason not to raise weights. It's far easier to find humans who can remain healthy at a weight 10lbs over current, especially women. We shouldn't ignore that people have gotten markedly bigger over the last 100 years. Why do you think so few Americans (comparably) are jockeys? Americans have reaped the health and nutritional benefits of living here for decades and decades, compared to people from many other countries. We're huge.

And I think Lucas got really tired of tons of reporters asking him about the wonderfully close personal relationship between Antley and Charismatic, and finally set them straight.

Antley was a very gifted jockey. It's a shame he succumbed to his personal demons, it seemed so promising for him the last year of his life, with a new wife and baby.

"We shouldn't ignore that people have gotten markedly bigger over the last 100 years."

dwarfs, for instance, are 30% taller since 1910.

"Why do you think so few Americans (comparably) are jockeys?"

too busy exporting our exceptional health and nutrition to the rest of the world.

"Americans have reaped the health and nutritional benefits of living here for decades and decades, compared to people from many other countries."

is that just a nice way of saying we're shockingly fat?

"We're huge."

oh.






maybe the solution is bigger horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Whatever you may think of Wayne Lukas, hasn't he at least earned the right to have his name spelled correctly?

[Riot]

maybe the solution is bigger horses.

Or horses with bigger bone.

Some professions in life demand that you be a certain size. A jockey is obviously one of them. If you can't be the size it requires, than you should not be a jock. It's pretty simple. Don't you think with a few pounds the same unhealthy practices will be going on?

Yes, as long as jockeys are required to be a particular weight, many will have to keep their jobs by abusing their health. Hey, at least there exists an athletic population not on steroids.

But the weight the sport calls for is arbitrary. Jocks are incredible athletes. Wish the sport could allow them a little more health, as the practices required to make weight have long-term and permanent negative health ramifications.

Whatever you may think of Wayne Lukas, hasn't he at least earned the right to have his name spelled correctly?

My sincere apologies to Mr. Lukas for misspelling his name

[Cannon Shell]

The problem with the weights is only a problem because the jockeys say it is. Like Da Hoss said, where do you draw the line? If you are too big and can't make weight naturally then it is YOUR fault if you resort to flipping, not horse racings. The minimum weights have been raised quite a bit. It wasnt long ago in KY if you had a 3 year old who qualified for all the allowances you could get in with 108. Not so any more.

As others have said including Wayne and Pat Day, raising the weights will not help solve the issue of flipping because bigger people will resort to doing it to make weight and those currently doing it wont stop, they will just eat more and in turn flip more.

In the end the horses will pay the price.

[whodey17]

I agree with DaHoss and Cannon. However, I think weights should be considered in order to keep up with the pattern of people becoming physically larger.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The problem with the weights is only a problem because the jockeys say it is. Like Da Hoss said, where do you draw the line? If you are too big and can't make weight naturally then it is YOUR fault if you resort to flipping, not horse racings. The minimum weights have been raised quite a bit. It wasnt long ago in KY if you had a 3 year old who qualified for all the allowances you could get in with 108. Not so any more.

As others have said including Wayne and Pat Day, raising the weights will not help solve the issue of flipping because bigger people will resort to doing it to make weight and those currently doing it wont stop, they will just eat more and in turn flip more.

In the end the horses will pay the price.

Chuck,

I've heard both sides of the argument, but this is the part of the argument I don't understand. A horse is a rather big animal. How would an added 2 - 4 pounds hurt a horse?
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As far as the jockey weights in general. I'm not buying the notion that people are getting fatter. There were fat people 100 years ago. Even though Hossy and others bring up the point that flipping will still occur no matter what the weight is, I just feel that they should still raise it. Maybe it will increase the jockey pool. What's wrong with that? The bottom line is 110-112 lbs. is not a normal weight for 98% of the human population. I'd just like to see them give it a try and let the facts speak for themself.

[Oaklawnfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you raise it 10 pounds don't you think you will have people who were once a bit too big to be a jockey, now trying to be one. How do you think they will trying to make weight? Probably the same way. No matter how high or low the weights are, someone will be a bit too big and will be doing things not too healthy to try and make weight.

I used to think these horses where so fragile. Then I saw Larry Jones breezing his own horses.