Chris Antley

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Benny Leger

I agree with everything you said. He dominated the game for a long time. But some of the statements made by Lukas after Antley's death were disturbing to me.

I agree. Usually after someone's death people have enough class to either find something nice to say about them or nothing. D. Wayne didn't have a horse in the derby and, needing attention, thought it was a good time to publicly bring up the fact that Chris Antley never took a genuine interest in Charasmatic. Don't remember if he was asked or not.

side note.. I believe Laffit Pincay was supposed to ride Charismatic but stayed in California to ride Event of The Year who finished up the track.

I used to routinely toss his horses from my bet. Very few times has it cost me. I think he went 1 in 90 at Santa Anita. When he went to Oaklawn he turned thing around a little.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Let me ask you something. Is it wrong to be truthful? As has been mentioned, after his death Antley was portrayed as something he was not. Now, his death was a sad story but like has been mentioned Lukas was probably annoyed at how the situation was being portrayed by the media.

Why is Lukas so wrong for being honest? Whatever someone was while living doesn't all of the sudden disappear when they die. I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas. Seems like they want to dislike him, but don't really know why.

he's a terrible trainer. just look at the assistants he's employed. none of them ever accomplished much. if he was good you'd think one or two (or 1/2 dozen) of them would have become top trainers themselves.

btw: when i die i expect all of you to remain quiet.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Let me ask you something. Is it wrong to be truthful? As has been mentioned, after his death Antley was portrayed as something he was not. Now, his death was a sad story but like has been mentioned Lukas was probably annoyed at how the situation was being portrayed by the media.

Why is Lukas so wrong for being honest? Whatever someone was while living doesn't all of the sudden disappear when they die. I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas. Seems like they want to dislike him, but don't really know why.

The pagans thought the dead had more power than the living. Maybe it started there.

And no, I'm still out $25. Eric and Bob robbed me. I let it go. AS I understand it, Bold Brooklynite's wife is very sick with cancer, so I won't tempt the gods.

[Riot]

I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas.

Success.

People now transfer that to Pletcher.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

Lukas didn't like Antley because Antley was getting more attention than him. Lukas is an insecure attention seeker. If he isn't the center of attention he can't stand it. Just ask his 4 wives.

I assume that's why you don't like Lukas.

[blackthroatedwind]

Trainers lose horses all the time. I'm not Lukas's biggest fan either but it's far from clear he is the butcher many portray him as compared to many top trainers.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

All I know is that if you were a veterinarian for Lukas you retired with quite a bit of cash in your pocket.

As opposed to other trainers who's horses you have touted on this site?

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Let me ask you something. Is it wrong to be truthful? As has been mentioned, after his death Antley was portrayed as something he was not. Now, his death was a sad story but like has been mentioned Lukas was probably annoyed at how the situation was being portrayed by the media.

Why is Lukas so wrong for being honest? Whatever someone was while living doesn't all of the sudden disappear when they die. I never really understood why people have such a hard on for Lukas. Seems like they want to dislike him, but don't really know why.

Never challenged the facts. Wasn't about truth, it was about class.

Definately not jealous of D. Wayne Lukas. He only cost me money when I bet his horses.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Definately not jealous of D. Wayne Lukas. He only cost me money when I bet his horses.

I see.....it was Lukas's fault when you bet a horse he trained and it lost.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I see.....it was Lukas's fault when you bet a horse he trained and it lost.

Thanks for clearing that up.

going wild got me twice..yet a have no hard feelings lol

[fpsoxfan]

The only problem I have with Lukas is this hard-on he has for Jockey's when it comes to the weight issue. He has no problem with a jockey basically slowly killing himself by flipping on a daily basis. He passes it off as basically the hazards that go along with the job.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with him.

If they raise the weights a few pounds, do you think that will eliminate flipping?

You are right Hoss, but that's a whole other argument. It's just his attitude in general in both interviews I've seen involving him on this issue. We can take the "It's Just their Job" attitude on a number of professions, but he just comes off a little to harsh for me. Other than that, I have no problem with the man.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Magnanimous

The most ridiculous thing in racing is that they keep the weights so low. Exercise riders who get on the horses every morning often weigh 140+.

People have evolved. They are much bigger now than 50 years ago. If you gave these guys an extra 10 pounds it would be a HUGE difference in their lives.

Yes it will make a big difference in the current jockey's lives, but there will always be another (slightly larger) group of riders that will flip to make the new higher weight.

Raising the weights for jocks will by no means eliminate the abuse they put themselves through to make weight.

Make the weight 130 and you'll have 140 pounders in the hot box and fipping like mad to make the 130.

[fpsoxfan]

This thread has taken many interesting paths

Chris Antley
Kent D.
Lukas
Flipping

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you raise it 10 pounds don't you think you will have people who were once a bit too big to be a jockey, now trying to be one. How do you think they will trying to make weight? Probably the same way. No matter how high or low the weights are, someone will be a bit too big and will be doing things not too healthy to try and make weight.

I don't see that as a reason not to raise weights. It's far easier to find humans who can remain healthy at a weight 10lbs over current, especially women. We shouldn't ignore that people have gotten markedly bigger over the last 100 years. Why do you think so few Americans (comparably) are jockeys? Americans have reaped the health and nutritional benefits of living here for decades and decades, compared to people from many other countries. We're huge.

And I think Lucas got really tired of tons of reporters asking him about the wonderfully close personal relationship between Antley and Charismatic, and finally set them straight.

Antley was a very gifted jockey. It's a shame he succumbed to his personal demons, it seemed so promising for him the last year of his life, with a new wife and baby.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Riot

I don't see that as a reason not to raise weights. It's far easier to find humans who can remain healthy at a weight 10lbs over current, especially women. We shouldn't ignore that people have gotten markedly bigger over the last 100 years. Why do you think so few Americans (comparably) are jockeys? Americans have reaped the health and nutritional benefits of living here for decades and decades, compared to people from many other countries. We're huge.

And I think Lucas got really tired of tons of reporters asking him about the wonderfully close personal relationship between Antley and Charismatic, and finally set them straight.

Antley was a very gifted jockey. It's a shame he succumbed to his personal demons, it seemed so promising for him the last year of his life, with a new wife and baby.

"We shouldn't ignore that people have gotten markedly bigger over the last 100 years."

dwarfs, for instance, are 30% taller since 1910.

"Why do you think so few Americans (comparably) are jockeys?"

too busy exporting our exceptional health and nutrition to the rest of the world.

"Americans have reaped the health and nutritional benefits of living here for decades and decades, compared to people from many other countries."

is that just a nice way of saying we're shockingly fat?

"We're huge."

oh.






maybe the solution is bigger horses.

[Riot]

maybe the solution is bigger horses.

Or horses with bigger bone.

Some professions in life demand that you be a certain size. A jockey is obviously one of them. If you can't be the size it requires, than you should not be a jock. It's pretty simple. Don't you think with a few pounds the same unhealthy practices will be going on?

Yes, as long as jockeys are required to be a particular weight, many will have to keep their jobs by abusing their health. Hey, at least there exists an athletic population not on steroids.

But the weight the sport calls for is arbitrary. Jocks are incredible athletes. Wish the sport could allow them a little more health, as the practices required to make weight have long-term and permanent negative health ramifications.

Whatever you may think of Wayne Lukas, hasn't he at least earned the right to have his name spelled correctly?

My sincere apologies to Mr. Lukas for misspelling his name

[Oaklawnfan]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

If you raise it 10 pounds don't you think you will have people who were once a bit too big to be a jockey, now trying to be one. How do you think they will trying to make weight? Probably the same way. No matter how high or low the weights are, someone will be a bit too big and will be doing things not too healthy to try and make weight.

I used to think these horses where so fragile. Then I saw Larry Jones breezing his own horses.