Chris Antley

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The man's accomplishments are simply incredible.

I've seen more than enough of him to know his salesmanship skills greatly exceed his ability to get the best out of the stock he gets.

His accomplishments are incredible because they underline how many obscenely wealthy horse owners lack the ability to place their stock with the correct trainer.

[sumitas]

Lukas has often shocked the racing world with his big, unexpected wins. Most either love or hate the man because of his shocking wins. He shocked me in the Jim Dandy when Scorpion wired Free Of Love at the wire. I had FOL in a number of winning combinations only to be shocked by Scorpion. Lukas beat me again, this time for quite a few bucks, I thought leaving the track.

Click on this picture as Lukas was shocking Saratoga. Congaree hung on for 3rd saving tons of bridgejumpers.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/free+of+love
FOL is on the rail, Scorpion foreground.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've seen more than enough of him to know his salesmanship skills greatly exceed his ability to get the best out of the stock he gets.

His accomplishments are incredible because they underline how many obscenely wealthy horse owners lack the ability to place their stock with the correct trainer.

Drugs.....the most difficult part of evaluating a guy like DWayne and the rest of the big names is the lack of a stat or index that incorporates....

"Racing Productivity/Money Spent on Developing Talent"

Assuming that the vast majority of what the big training outfits work with is young horse flesh purchased by deep pockets who then take the raw product and ask a guy like DWayne, TP, Kiran etc to then develop these insanely expensive babies into champions if not successful stakes horses for eventual breeding themselves. A glorified ROI for $$ invested vs whats earned by the horse from the track and then the reproductive career. I am not aware of any but do you think there are trainers who do well from this angle of figuring an index or stat for what a trainer produces or money returned via earnings over several years (because I would imagine that a yearly index would be impossible to interpret since the on track earning potential isn't a one year stat as 2 year olds do not have the opportunities to earn that 3 and older have)......

And even if this data did make sense as an index for a trainer are you not better off using a trainer who does more with lesser numbers of horses or the comparasion between guys like Asmusen and say Nafzger. If your going to spend several hundred thousand on a yearling do you do better with the factory or big chain approach or the "mom and pop" smaller guy who may have trained 10 horses a year but they all get individual attention from the true name trainer.......yes I must consider decaff!!!