Should Have

miraja2 · #1 12-18-2007, 03:30 PM

King Glorious was a 3yo in 1989 and could not have beaten Sunday Silence going 10f if Sunday Silence had all 4 legs tied together and was made to run backwards.

King Glorious · #2 12-18-2007, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

King Glorious was a 3yo in 1989 and could not have beaten Sunday Silence going 10f if Sunday Silence had all 4 legs tied together and was made to run backwards.

I don't know about that. In the same way BTW is saying that Dehere might have had trouble running down the lone speed in 1993, Sunday Silence and EG might have had trouble running down the lone speed of King Glorious in 1989. No doubt that at 10f, it would have taken a huge effort on KG's part but with him having shown he could handle an off track in the Hollywood Futurity, I would have liked my chances going in if I were Hollendorfer and McCarron. Lone speed is a strong equalizer. Winning Colors, War Emblem, Go for Gin were all able to win it when most people expected they wouldn't last. Hard Spun, Lion Heart, Indian Charlie and Peace Rules didn't win but hung in a lot longer than expected.

miraja2 · #3 12-19-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't know about that. In the same way BTW is saying that Dehere might have had trouble running down the lone speed in 1993, Sunday Silence and EG might have had trouble running down the lone speed of King Glorious in 1989. No doubt that at 10f, it would have taken a huge effort on KG's part but with him having shown he could handle an off track in the Hollywood Futurity, I would have liked my chances going in if I were Hollendorfer and McCarron. Lone speed is a strong equalizer. Winning Colors, War Emblem, Go for Gin were all able to win it when most people expected they wouldn't last. Hard Spun, Lion Heart, Indian Charlie and Peace Rules didn't win but hung in a lot longer than expected.

Saying that he wouldn't have had any chance in the '89 TC races isn't really a knock on KG at all. While I remain highly skeptical of his ability to ever get 10f effectively, the bigger issue is the fact that the crop that year produced two of the best true 10f horses of the last 25 years....and he wasn't one of them.
Do horses like War Emblem sometimes win the Derby as the lone speed? Of course, but it is one thing to do it with Proud Citizen chasing you home, and an altogether different proposition when the two horses trying to get by you are Sunday Silence and Easy Goer.

miraja2 · #4 12-19-2007, 07:33 AM

Am I the only one looking forward to reading the book, The 2007 Kentucky Derby: A Comprehensive Analysis, by The Indomitable DrugS?
I think it will be a good one, but the 600 page length might be a bit daunting for some.

ArlJim78 · #5 12-19-2007, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Am I the only one looking forward to reading the book, The 2007 Kentucky Derby: A Comprehensive Analysis, by The Indomitable DrugS?
I think it will be a good one, but the 600 page length might be a bit daunting for some.

600 pages would just be the chapter covering Street Senses miracle trip.

horseofcourse · #6 12-19-2007, 11:58 AM

AP Indy and UD Ghetto without question. No such thing as a miracle in horse racing. Travelling from Portland to Miami in 27 minutes would be considered a "miracle" trip. borel likes the rail. I don't think that's an unknown fact. So orchestrating a trip on the rail which he has always liked to do cannot in any sense be considered a miracle. I would actually consider it a "likely" trip more than a "miracle' trip. Whatever.

King Glorious · #7 12-19-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2

Saying that he wouldn't have had any chance in the '89 TC races isn't really a knock on KG at all. While I remain highly skeptical of his ability to ever get 10f effectively, the bigger issue is the fact that the crop that year produced two of the best true 10f horses of the last 25 years....and he wasn't one of them.
Do horses like War Emblem sometimes win the Derby as the lone speed? Of course, but it is one thing to do it with Proud Citizen chasing you home, and an altogether different proposition when the two horses trying to get by you are Sunday Silence and Easy Goer.

What you say here is absolutely correct. There's almost no question that they would have turned out to be better and more natural 10f runners than KG was. I just feel like KG would have opened up 6-8 on them coming around the turn and that might have been just enough to hold them off.