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Old 12-10-2007, 08:36 PM
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I don't get this argument. Bettors have a budget, be it weekday or big day. If gamblers want to bet Saturday, they shouldn't blow it Friday, or they should put away more of their yearly budget for this weekend.

How is a bettors money management - or lack of it - the fault of the BC Committee?
Some of the bettors I know will wager regardless the race is a grade I or a 10k claimer at Finger Lakes.
To say the it will effect the pools because of three more races.....ridiculous.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:37 PM
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How about if, along with appropriate earnings, a committee starts reviewing all horses that want to enter the Kentucky Derby, and chose to allow only the horses that are determined to be of true Grade 1 caliber?
Too subjective. Everyone has a different opinion of what a true G1 caliber horse is.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:39 PM
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Yeah I forgot it was sunny and 80 on Friday.
Not in these parts.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:40 PM
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Yeah I forgot it was sunny and 80 on Friday.
I so wish it was. Who knows what the handle was Friday in perspective? We have no frame of reference. The number sounded decent but they might do $50 million at Santa Anita next year. We shall see.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:50 PM
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Check the numbers for this year.
1 year doesn't make it a case study.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:51 PM
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No one said these will be G1 races. If they make these G1 races then it is a terrible decision by the Graded Stakes Committee and I will be upset by it. For the Breeders Cup to add these races though doesn't bother me at all even if I think they are wasting their money. At least they picked races they could add that won't dilute the current fields. And it will be three more interesting races to handicap.
Well...that's true. 12f races are my absolute favorite races to handicap and bet.
But regardless of what grade they receive, having races called "Breeders' Cup Races" filled with allowance horses bothers me.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:52 PM
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Some of the bettors I know will wager regardless the race is a grade I or a 10k claimer at Finger Lakes. To say the it will effect the pools because of three more races.....ridiculous.
Quit talking about me.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:53 PM
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maybe they're alw. horses because they just haven't found the right spot!
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:58 PM
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1 year doesn't make it a case study.
You should make fortune cookies. Really enlightening stuff.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'll book any wager that says handle on Saturday in 2008 will increase from 2006's handle on BC day.
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Old 12-10-2007, 08:59 PM
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Well...that's true. 12f races are my absolute favorite races to handicap and bet.
But regardless of what grade they receive, having races called "Breeders' Cup Races" filled with allowance horses bothers me.
As long as they aren't G1 I think there is a distinction and I don't care what they want to call them. I mean there are terrible races throughout the year with Breeders Cup in their name already.
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:00 PM
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I don't get this argument. Bettors have a budget, be it weekday or big day. If gamblers want to bet Saturday, they shouldn't blow it Friday, or they should put away more of their yearly budget for this weekend.

How is a bettors money management - or lack of it - the fault of the BC Committee?
I didn't say it was their fault. Do you want me to say it is so we can argue?
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:07 PM
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You should make fortune cookies. Really enlightening stuff.

We'll just have to wait and see. I'll book any wager that says handle on Saturday in 2008 will increase from 2006's handle on BC day.
I applied, but they said you were doing an admirable job.
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:08 PM
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I didn't say it was their fault. Do you want me to say it is so we can argue?
No, you're doing fine arguing with yourself. Carry on.
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:11 PM
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No, you're doing fine arguing with yourself. Carry on.
Yeah that makes sense.




Roar.


There I'm outraged.

Anything else?
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:13 PM
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The way it sounds from this thread, a lot of knowledgeable handicappers will be saving thier hard earned money and not wager on the Breeder's Cup Friday card..........




NOT!
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:21 PM
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Just a quick question for everyone to think about. Where is the BC going to get the new purse money? Do they have any NEW sponcers? Seems like they have lost more corporate sponcers over the years then then they have now(Bud, Mobil,etc.). Not just the "Trade" sponcers I mean real money. They do not pay for any travel or expences for the conections, and shipping of horses. With the percentages they get most tracks loose money hoisting the races on even one day, and now two days. And Greg A. can you tell us what track will be host in 2009? Nobody's bidding. TV ratings down, ticket prices up again?
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:22 PM
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The way it sounds from this thread, a lot of knowledgeable handicappers will be saving thier hard earned money and not wager on the Breeder's Cup Friday card..........
Or on Saturday, due to the artificial surface.

Wagering handle should pretty much be in the toilet in 2008
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:23 PM
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I heard Emirates Air and Al Qaeda were going to flip a coin for sponsorship of the new races.


Don't quote me on that.
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:26 PM
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Or on Saturday, due to the artificial surface.

Wagering handle should pretty much be in the toilet in 2008
Yeah, by the end of the decade.....the B.C. will be cancelled due to poor ratings.
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:27 PM
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Or on Saturday, due to the artificial surface.

Wagering handle should pretty much be in the toilet in 2008
Are you wearing a diaper?
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