Three New BC Races

Scav · #1 12-10-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

The 1 1/2 mile race is actually an ingenious idea. It is so unbelievably stupid that it will deflect attention from the idiocy of the other two races. Just think, we now have a championship race for a division that doesn't exist....and breeders have specifically attempted to eradicate.

The German breeders, on the other hand, must be positively giddy.

It is like they are purposely trying to dilute the field sizes with these fields. I understand two of the races from last year (Juv Turf and Dirt Mile) but the other additions just take away from the other fields. We are going to start seeing 8 horse fields in all these races because there is going to be 20 BC races....

sumitas · #2 12-10-2007, 10:14 AM

I like the 12F race. The Belmont is 12F. NYRA carded several 10+F races this year. A welcome change by the BC. It is good for racing and breeding over all.

blackthroatedwind · #3 12-10-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

I like the 12F race. The Belmont is 12F. NYRA carded several 10+F races this year. A welcome change by the BC. It is good for racing and breeding over all.

I rest my case.

VOL JACK · #4 12-10-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

I like the 12F race. The Belmont is 12F. NYRA carded several 10+F races this year. A welcome change by the BC. It is good for racing and breeding over all.

You are the smarest person on this board, without a doubt. Thank you for gracing us with your presence. Your knowledge about the benefit of synthetic surfaces and the need for countless cup races are a true blessing.

smuthg · #5 12-10-2007, 10:17 AM

Mile and 1/2 on the Poly!?! Can't wait!!!

Antitrust32 · #6 12-10-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by smuthg

Mile and 1/2 on the Poly!?! Can't wait!!!

lol a mill race for a bunch of claimers and allowance horses. lets send kickin' n screamin' there... she'll like the distance!

mik9872 · #7 12-10-2007, 10:18 AM

I agree the mile and a half race is particuarrly stupid. The article also says there should be a series of marathon races throughout the year to support it, with a win an you are in status. Also, if these races do not affect the numbers of entants per race, they surely will dilute the quality of all of the races

sumitas · #8 12-10-2007, 10:23 AM

I'd like to see Belmont bring back the 12F allowance carded on every Belmont day up until a few years ago. Sounds good to make the Jockey Club Gold Cup at least 12 F.

blackthroatedwind · #9 12-10-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

I'd like to see Belmont bring back the 12F allowance carded on every Belmont day up until a few years ago. Sounds good to make the Jockey Club Gold Cup at least 12 F.

Do you know why there was a 1 1/2 mile allowance race on the Belmont undercard?

And, furthermore, you are suggesting the JCGC, once considered as prestigious a race as was run in this country, should now be reduced to being a prep for a completely inconsequential race. Brilliant.

Pedigree Ann · #10 12-11-2007, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you know why there was a 1 1/2 mile allowance race on the Belmont undercard?

And, furthermore, you are suggesting the JCGC, once considered as prestigious a race as was run in this country, should now be reduced to being a prep for a completely inconsequential race. Brilliant.

When it was THE championship race of the year, in Kelso and Buckpasser's time, it was run at 2 miles.

saratogabrit · #11 12-11-2007, 06:52 AM

I hope that the Turf Sprit might be added to the Global Sprint Challenge Series-it may be too close to the leg in Japan...

Ticket prices will shoot up again for next year on the Friday. I'm sure that they had these 3 more races agreed on last year but decided to add 3 and then 3 because they knew that the swingeing ticket prices increases would be best administered in 2 doses.

Riot · #12 12-11-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

When it was THE championship race of the year, in Kelso and Buckpasser's time, it was run at 2 miles.

Horsemen have always planned for big target days. The days of choice have simply changed.

When exactly did best return on investment shift from racetrack earnings to stallion earnings - the mid-1980's? I'd like to go back and look at the PP's of most of the horses who have run in the Breeder's Cup races since inception, to see how significant a change has (or has not?) occured in race frequency leading up to a big race.

hockey2315 · #13 12-10-2007, 10:32 AM

The 12F race makes absolutely no sense for SO many reasons. . . WTF were they thinking?

VOL JACK · #14 12-10-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315

The 12F race makes absolutely no sense for SO many reasons. . . WTF were they thinking?

The Breeders cup commitee have been taking Calder's extreme day way too serious. Can't wait for the Jockey's to race one another, leaning towards a Coa/nakatani exacta.

sumitas · #15 12-10-2007, 10:40 AM

It does make sense and the article described their thoughts. In 1989 Easy Goer won the JCGC in 2:29 1/5...After 1989 the JCGC was cut back to 10F by some sprint loving person in blinkers.

In 1974 Forego won the JCGC in 3:21 1/5. The JCGC has been run since 1919. Only since 1990 has it been run at it's shortest 10F distance.

GPK · #16 12-10-2007, 10:43 AM

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I agree with Sumitas, this is a fine idea. I'd also like to see the Breeders Cup card a 3 furlong sprint. For the horses that can't go the grueling 6 panels of the Sprint. While they are at it, a race for horses ages 6 and up. Because really, how can we expect the old guys to compete with the young ones. I'm sure the quality of the races will be about the same.

My boy is back

ArlJim78 · #17 12-10-2007, 10:52 AM

if this were April first I'd be convinced this was a joke.
was there a groundswell of support for these races?
its baffling really why they'd want to water down the other races.
plus the "win and you're in" nonsense.
It really has become a joke.

#18 12-10-2007, 10:54 AM

In other news, the DRF has hired BBB as handicapper-in-chief.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #19 12-10-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I agree with Sumitas, this is a fine idea. I'd also like to see the Breeders Cup card a 3 furlong sprint. For the horses that can't go the grueling 6 panels of the Sprint. While they are at it, a race for horses ages 6 and up. Because really, how can we expect the old guys to compete with the young ones. I'm sure the quality of the races will be about the same.

i knew someday caller one would be a contender again..

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blackthroatedwind · #20 12-10-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

I'd like to see Belmont bring back the 12F allowance carded on every Belmont day up until a few years ago. Sounds good to make the Jockey Club Gold Cup at least 12 F.

Since you don't know why this race was run I will tell you......it was run at the request of the TV Network covering the Belmont so that they could test their equipment on a race comparable to the Belmont before that race was run.

Why, then, did NYRA stop running it? Because it barely fills, at best, and it is important on big days to run races with full fields from the obvious handle perspective.