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Originally Posted by boldruler

I already did in post #145. Do you need that in hebrew? Here the responses are. WHERE IS YOUR ANSWER TO THE TWO QUESTIONS? 1) ARE YOUR LOYALTIES TO AMERICA OR ISRAEL, when their interests don't go hand in hand?

2) ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF FREEING AN ISRAELI SPY LIKE JONATHAN POLLARD, A TRAITOR TO AMERICA, like many israelis?


1) I said the countries are insignifcant, no mention of the people. They are insignificant, nothing would change if they were there or weren't there.
2) American Values are not stated in the Constitution or Declaration. You are a simple minded idiot. There is no such thing as American Values. Why were there slaves and women with no rights for almost 100 years after the constitution and declaration if the "american values" you love to throw around existed.
3) I didn't say all Jews were Ortodox Jews, I just said the religious ones run that country
4) YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT INCOME TAXES. Stop believing everything Rush tells you.
5) Terrorists can be freedom fighters. George Washington was viewed as a terrorist and fought a war similar to what many "terrorist" groups are doing now.
6) I didn't forget who we liberated. I know significantly more about world history than you ever will know.
7) I am well aware Iraq has a democratically elected government, but it is a puppet government that can't even get its own military going after years of training. In WWII the US trained its soldiers in a matter of weeks, but the Iraqi's need years.
8) Oil is more expensive than it should be because of oil traders, but it is still cheaper than it should be in a fair market. You probably don't understand how pricing of oil works, but traders determine the price, based on supply and demand, but if the Arab countries wanted to they could get a ton more for their goods. Their dictators agree to keep the price low in exchange for the US protecting them from the masses.

There are your answers. Now you answer my questions about where your loyalty is and your view on a traitor from your country. I find it odd that a "friend" of the US seems to have an awful lot of spies caught spying on their "friend" the United States.

Ahhh ... I've just returned from another sumptuous prandial experience ... courtesy of Mrs. Brooklynite ...

... and I'm happily restored to my robust self.

Now where were we? Oh ... I see that our intellectually challenged and memory deprived friend pretended to do a point-by-point response ... but came up woefully short.

Hello, sir ... there were 13 points in my post ... and you made a weak effort at only 8. Even if they were good responses ... which I can assure you they weren't ... that would only get you a 61 ... which is barely a "D."

Please complete your chores ... or you don't get that nice big plate of chocolate chip ice cream.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Ahhh ... I've just returned from another sumptuous prandial experience ... courtesy of Mrs. Brooklynite ...

... and I'm happily restored to my robust self.

Now where were we? Oh ... I see that our intellectually challenged and memory deprived friend pretended to do a point-by-point response ... but came up woefully short.

Hello, sir ... there were 13 points in my post ... and you made a weak effort at only 8. Even if they were good responses ... which I can assure you they weren't ... that would only get you a 61 ... which is barely a "D."

Please complete your chores ... or you don't get that nice big plate of chocolate chip ice cream.

Fine for the sake of argument you were right on those other points. Now it is your turn, Why can't you answer two simple little questions? Is it because we already know the real answer and it is obvious your allegiance is to Israel. If so, please DON'T EVER CRITICIZE US REAL AMERICANS. IT IS OUR GOVERNMENT, NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT, and we can say whatever we want. Your country is in the Middle East, not here in the greatest country in the world. God Bless America.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Fine for the sake of argument you were right on those other points. Now it is your turn, Why can't you answer two simple little questions? Is it because we already know the real answer and it is obvious your allegiance is to Israel. If so, please DON'T EVER CRITICIZE US REAL AMERICANS. IT IS OUR GOVERNMENT, NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT, and we can say whatever we want. Your country is in the Middle East, not here in the greatest country in the world. God Bless America.

Him answer?

Nah... Can't and won't.

He's still in shock that some people see the world for what it is. Not support Israel? Oh my, we all must be jewish haters. The simple fact is Israel does not want a free democratic nation in Lebanon as they do not want it in Gaza. This would disrupt the Israeli myth of "instability in the region" upon which their receipt of billions in U.S. aid is based. Slow and sure, world sentiment is turning as people everywhere are disabused of these misconceptions.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Him answer?

Nah... Can't and won't.

He's still in shock that some people see the world for what it is. Not support Israel? Oh my, we all must be jewish haters. The simple fact is Israel does not want a free democratic nation in Lebanon as they do not want it in Gaza. This would disrupt the Israeli myth of "instability in the region" upon which their receipt of billions in U.S. aid is based. Slow and sure, world sentiment is turning as people everywhere are disabused of these misconceptions.

Supporting Israel is just a liability to the US with the rest of the world. We get nothing out of it.

Bold Brooklynite is one of those dangerous people that have an allegiance to another country. I don't want any Arabs or Jews having dual citizenship. The interests of these groups often puts the US at risk. I am all for Arab Americans or Jewish Americans, just not those that seem to make American their number 2 priority. I have the same problem with these Mexican protesters and any other group, Irish, Italian, German, that doesn't have an allegiance to this country first. It just seems this is a huge problem with Jewish people because they view God and Israel as the same thing thus putting it before America. Can't have that.

Originally Posted by boldruler

Fine for the sake of argument you were right on those other points. Now it is your turn, Why can't you answer two simple little questions? Is it because we already know the real answer and it is obvious your allegiance is to Israel. If so, please DON'T EVER CRITICIZE US REAL AMERICANS. IT IS OUR GOVERNMENT, NOT YOUR GOVERNMENT, and we can say whatever we want. Your country is in the Middle East, not here in the greatest country in the world. God Bless America.

I'll answer your questions ... but first ...

... I'll answer your answers ...

1) I said the countries are insignifcant, no mention of the people. They are insignificant, nothing would change if they were there or weren't there. So ... if Israel is so insignificant ... and it wouldn't matter if it vanished ... why is the entire Arab world in an uproar over it's existence?

2) American Values are not stated in the Constitution or Declaration. You are a simple minded idiot. There is no such thing as American Values. Why were there slaves and women with no rights for almost 100 years after the constitution and declaration if the "american values" you love to throw around existed. Sorry ... but I always thought that "All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" was a statement of values. Ooops ... silly me. As to slavery ... you're once again ... and how many times is this going to happen? ... confusing objectives and strategies. The objective was to eliminate slavery and the strategy was to allow it for a time in order to get the Union established ... then eliminate it. And guess what ... the strategy worked! Slavery was eliminated 143 years ago ... or hadn't you heard?

3) I didn't say all Jews were Ortodox Jews, I just said the religious ones run that country And you were wrong in both instances.

4) YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT INCOME TAXES. Stop believing everything Rush tells you. Again ... you say that my income tax distribution statistics are incorrect ... but you don't supply the "correct" ones. But ... nah, nah, nah, nah ... we all know why you don't ... because mine happen to be correct ... and the only thing you can do to challenge them is to once again display your inordinate fear of radio entertainers.

5) Terrorists can be freedom fighters. George Washington was viewed as a terrorist and fought a war similar to what many "terrorist" groups are doing now. A terrorist is never a freedom fighter. Terrorists ... by definition ... indiscriminately murder the innocent ... something George Washington never did ... and your mouth ... or your hands ... should be washed with soap for even typing that.

6) I didn't forget who we liberated. I know significantly more about world history than you ever will know. I'm sure you do ... and I meant to ask you ... whatever happend to Aberada .. you know ... Robert Guiscard's first wife ... what became of her?

7) I am well aware Iraq has a democratically elected government, but it is a puppet government that can't even get its own military going after years of training. In WWII the US trained its soldiers in a matter of weeks, but the Iraqi's need years. Do you have any idea how silly you appear when you compare a newborn democracy to the U.S. ... which by the 1940's had been functioning for over 150 years? And though you proclaim your knowledge of "world history" ... you seem to be completely unaware that the first two years of WWII saw devastating defeats for the U.S. forces. It wasn't until late 1943 that we finally got competent fighting forces on the ground ... and were able to start turning the tide.

8) Oil is more expensive than it should be because of oil traders, but it is still cheaper than it should be in a fair market. You probably don't understand how pricing of oil works, but traders determine the price, based on supply and demand, but if the Arab countries wanted to they could get a ton more for their goods. Their dictators agree to keep the price low in exchange for the US protecting them from the masses. There are so many internal contradictions in that statement ... it's almost impossible to know where to start. It's more expensive ... it's cheaper ... there is a fair market ... there isn't a fair market ... traders determine the price ... dictators determine the price ... say what? You seem to know as much about economics as you do about history. And please ... please challenge me on this one.

So ... let's see how you did. If each of the eight responses was worth 12.5 points ... you'd get 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 8, 4, and 0 ... for a total of 12 out of 100.

Hmmm ... I don't think you did as well as your friend said you did ... don't you agree? You'd better brush up your Shakespeare ... to say the least.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

I'll answer your questions ... but first ...

... I'll answer your answers ...

1) I said the countries are insignifcant, no mention of the people. They are insignificant, nothing would change if they were there or weren't there. So ... if Israel is so insignificant ... and it wouldn't matter if it vanished ... why is the entire Arab world in an uproar over it's existence?

2) American Values are not stated in the Constitution or Declaration. You are a simple minded idiot. There is no such thing as American Values. Why were there slaves and women with no rights for almost 100 years after the constitution and declaration if the "american values" you love to throw around existed. Sorry ... but I always thought that "All men are created equal and are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights" was a statement of values. Ooops ... silly me. As to slavery ... you're once again ... and how many times is this going to happen? ... confusing objectives and strategies. The objective was to eliminate slavery and the strategy was to allow it for a time in order to get the Union established ... then eliminate it. And guess what ... the strategy worked! Slavery was eliminated 143 years ago ... or hadn't you heard?

3) I didn't say all Jews were Ortodox Jews, I just said the religious ones run that country And you were wrong in both instances.

4) YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT INCOME TAXES. Stop believing everything Rush tells you. Again ... you say that my income tax distribution statistics are incorrect ... but you don't supply the "correct" ones. But ... nah, nah, nah, nah ... we all know why you don't ... because mine happen to be correct ... and the only thing you can do to challenge them is to once again display your inordinate fear of radio entertainers.

5) Terrorists can be freedom fighters. George Washington was viewed as a terrorist and fought a war similar to what many "terrorist" groups are doing now. A terrorist is never a freedom fighter. Terrorists ... by definition ... indiscriminately murder the innocent ... something George Washington never did ... and your mouth ... or your hands ... should be washed with soap for even typing that.

6) I didn't forget who we liberated. I know significantly more about world history than you ever will know. I'm sure you do ... and I meant to ask you ... whatever happend to Aberada .. you know ... Robert Guiscard's first wife ... what became of her?

7) I am well aware Iraq has a democratically elected government, but it is a puppet government that can't even get its own military going after years of training. In WWII the US trained its soldiers in a matter of weeks, but the Iraqi's need years. Do you have any idea how silly you appear when you compare a newborn democracy to the U.S. ... which by the 1940's had been functioning for over 150 years? And though you proclaim your knowledge of "world history" ... you seem to be completely unaware that the first two years of WWII saw devastating defeats for the U.S. forces. It wasn't until late 1943 that we finally got competent fighting forces on the ground ... and were able to start turning the tide.

8) Oil is more expensive than it should be because of oil traders, but it is still cheaper than it should be in a fair market. You probably don't understand how pricing of oil works, but traders determine the price, based on supply and demand, but if the Arab countries wanted to they could get a ton more for their goods. Their dictators agree to keep the price low in exchange for the US protecting them from the masses. There are so many internal contradictions in that statement ... it's almost impossible to know where to start. It's more expensive ... it's cheaper ... there is a fair market ... there isn't a fair market ... traders determine the price ... dictators determine the price ... say what? You seem to know as much about economics as you do about history. And please ... please challenge me on this one.

So ... let's see how you did. If each of the eight responses was worth 12.5 points ... you'd get 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 8, 4, and 0 ... for a total of 12 out of 100.

Hmmm ... I don't think you did as well as your friend said you did ... don't you agree? You'd better brush up your Shakespeare ... to say the least.

All of that and you still didn't answer the questions, although this time you said you would and you didn't. So now you are

1) Not a real American, but feels free to attack us Real Americans
2) A lover of traitors to America.
3) Incapable of answering questions
4) and now you can add LIAR who says he will answer two questions but doesn't.

What a winner you are.

Originally Posted by boldruler

All of that and you still didn't answer the questions, although this time you said you would and you didn't. So now you are

1) Not a real American, but feels free to attack us Real Americans
2) A lover of traitors to America.
3) Incapable of answering questions
4) and now you can add LIAR who says he will answer two questions but doesn't.

What a winner you are.

Well ... I'm glad you didn't dispute the "12" I gave you. I think it was pretty fair ... perhaps a bit generous ... but I always gave out better grades when I knew one of my students was interested in thoroughbred racing.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Well ... I'm glad you didn't dispute the "12" I gave you. I think it was pretty fair ... perhaps a bit generous ... but I always gave out better grades when I knew one of my students was interested in thoroughbred racing.

Just another post without answering the questions. What a surprise. Any Real American is proud to say their allegiance is always to America. I guess you aren't a Real American. Do you kids pledge allegiance to the American flag or the Israeli flag?

OK ... now let's anwer your question ... where does my loyalty lie?

Well .. if you were clever ... which we know you aren't ... you could've saved yourself hours and hours of harrumphing and hyperventilating ... and all those boldface and all-caps sentences ...

... simply by going to the Members List of this forum ... clicking on my name ... and looking at the photo ... which tells you everything you'd ever need to know about my loyalty.

See? See how easy it would have been ... if only you knew how to think?

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

OK ... now let's anwer your question ... where does my loyalty lie?

Well .. if you were clever ... which we know you aren't ... you could've saved yourself hours and hours of harrumphing and hyperventilating ... and all those boldface and all-caps sentences ...

... simply by going to the Members List of this forum ... clicking on my name ... and looking at the photo ... which tells you everything you'd ever need to know about my loyalty.

See? See how easy it would have been ... if only you knew how to think?

Still no real answer. What a surprise.

Here are the questions for the 50th time

ARE YOUR LOYALTIES TO AMERICA OR ISRAEL, when their interests don't go hand in hand?

ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF FREEING AN ISRAELI SPY LIKE JONATHAN POLLARD, A TRAITOR TO AMERICA, like many israelis?


Now because you are a little slow I will explain how your answers should read. Ok. Pay attention.

your response should be either, my loyalties are to america or my loyalites are to Israel.

I am in favor of freeing Jonathan Pollard, a traitor to america, or I am not in favor of freeing Jonathan Pollard.

Is that too difficult for you?

Originally Posted by boldruler

Still no real answer.

Yes ... yes it is ... don't you understand ... have you no imagination .. have you no capacity for deductive reasoning ... do you know who is in the photo ... and what he represents?

[See, folks ... do you see what I'm up against? I think I'd have better luck working with Koko The Gorilla ... don't you?]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Yes ... yes it is ... don't you understand ... have you no imagination .. have you no capacity for deductive reasoning ... do you know who is in the photo ... and what he represents?

[See, folks ... do you see what I'm up against? I think I'd have better luck working with Koko The Gorilla ... don't you?]

I know JR when I see him. Doesn't mean anything. You could still have allegiance to Israeli before America and like JR.

Just say it. My allegiance is to America before Israel. Not too difficult.

Oh, yeah ... the Pollard thing.

Now once again I have to resort to baby talk ... so there's a chance you might inderstand.

The Pollard case was/is a legal matter ... where the law enforcemnt authorities filed a charge ... evidence was gathered ... and presented before a judge and jury in something called a trial ... a verdict was reached ... and a sentence was determined ... appeals ... many of them ... already have been heard ... and more will follow.

That's how the American leagl system works. It isn't perfect ... and sometimes bad results occur ... but ... over the long haul ... and ceteris paribus ... it's a pretty good system.

I don't know if you're as much an expert on the legal system as you are on world history and economics ... but somehow ... I suspect that you are.

[Independent George]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Yes ... yes it is ... don't you understand ... have you no imagination .. have you no capacity for deductive reasoning ... do you know who is in the photo ... and what he represents?

[See, folks ... do you see what I'm up against? I think I'd have better luck working with Koko The Gorilla ... don't you?]

Aw c'mon, BB, don't tell me you're not working with Koko, here.

[Independent George]

Originally Posted by boldruler

Still no real answer. What a surprise.

Here are the questions for the 50th time

ARE YOUR LOYALTIES TO AMERICA OR ISRAEL, when their interests don't go hand in hand?

ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF FREEING AN ISRAELI SPY LIKE JONATHAN POLLARD, A TRAITOR TO AMERICA, like many israelis?


Now because you are a little slow I will explain how your answers should read. Ok. Pay attention.

your response should be either, my loyalties are to america or my loyalites are to Israel.

I am in favor of freeing Jonathan Pollard, a traitor to america, or I am not in favor of freeing Jonathan Pollard.

Is that too difficult for you?

Why is that you can pose an either/or question when one supports an ally of this country in its fight against Islamic Fascism ? When FDR went to the aid of Great Britain while they were trying to stave off Nazi aggression, would you have asked FDR if he is a "real American" or if his loyalties were to England or the US ? WE support our allies (except for Jimmy Carter who wouldn't even give the Shah of Iran a "pass" to get medical treatment in this country, when it was Iran...yes Iran...who was one of our strongest allies during the Vietnam war), and we support our allies because it BEHOOVES us to...it is beneficial to our well-being also..and that's being a REAL AMERICAN.

Originally Posted by Independent George

Why is that you can pose an either/or question when one supports an ally of this country in its fight against Islamic Fascism ? When FDR went to the aid of Great Britain while they were trying to stave off Nazi aggression, would you have asked FDR if he is a "real American" or if his loyalties were to England or the US ? WE support our allies (except for Jimmy Carter who wouldn't even give the Shah of Iran a "pass" to get medical treatment in this country, when it was Iran...yes Iran...who was one of our strongest allies during the Vietnam war), and we support our allies because it BEHOOVES us to...it is beneficial to our well-being also..and that's being a REAL AMERICAN.

No being a REAL AMERICAN means taking care of other Americans first. Support Israel if you want but the $100 billion that we have given them to create a military should have been used to help Americans first. Israel isn't a poor country, they can afford their own military.

[Independent George]

[quote=Dixie Porter]

Originally Posted by Independent George

(except for Jimmy Carter who wouldn't even give the Shah of Iran a "pass" to get medical treatment in this country, when it was Iran...yes Iran...who was one of our strongest allies during the Vietnam war), QUOTE]

This SOB not only put the US into it's darkest era but was on the brink of doing things that even history and Reagan couldn't right.

The sight of this creep still makes me want to kill him.

Jimmy Carter......the inventor of 15% Inflation.
We'll be paying for his mistakes for generations.