Schuylerville/Saratoga

#1 07-25-2006, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Heres one hint on opening day. The best clocker alive told me before Cotton Blossoms debut that she was the goods. He also tells me that she is LOTS better than her debut suggests. Not that her debut was bad, it earned the second best TG sheet number in the field, but man said she was green that day attempting to lug in and that the race was nowhere near indicative of how good she really is. Make sure you send it in heavily on her. Her average beyer speed fig may actually lend rare value to a Pletcher/Velazquez horse. Don't say i didn't tell you.

No knock on your friend, but these figures are useless for two year olds. Aren't you the Circular Quay guy. That horse has been very slow, but you seem to like him. With two year olds they move too much from race to race. Sometimes it is just that something goes off in their head and they figure things out. Betting heavily into any 2yr old race at Saratoga is not a wise move.

#2 07-25-2006, 10:45 AM

Betting heavily into any 2yr old race at Saratoga is not a wise move.
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#3 07-25-2006, 10:49 AM

The entry prob will be the favorite and deservingly so. But no way do I touch this race. Cotton was very very green in the debut, and who is to say that the horse still isnt green. If Cotton is green in this race, the horse will lose. I like the potential of about 3-5 runners in this field, but I dont think this is a good betting race at all.

jpops757 · #4 07-25-2006, 11:11 AM

While this horse ran greenly, isnt this a reason to see improvement? I havent looked at the pps but I will say thanks for the inside info Ora.

Unbridled · #5 07-25-2006, 11:22 AM

thanks for the heads up Oracle-any info that can help separate these 2yos is helpful. I read in the DRF that Mott plans to scratch Chief Officer.

#6 07-25-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jpops757

While this horse ran greenly, isnt this a reason to see improvement? I havent looked at the pps but I will say thanks for the inside info Ora.

They are two year olds, there is improvement expected in all of them.

sumitas · #7 07-25-2006, 01:49 PM

I'll go with Desire To Excel in this one. Angel Island has the pedigree I like. But she's been off 97 days after her winning debut. The connections changed trainers from Asmussen after the win to Blasi. Seems unusual here.

Desire To Excel.

Scav · #8 07-25-2006, 01:56 PM

Blasi is Assumussen's assistant trainer, he is on suspension

#9 07-25-2006, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

No knock on your friend, but these figures are useless for two year olds. Aren't you the Circular Quay guy. That horse has been very slow, but you seem to like him. With two year olds they move too much from race to race. Sometimes it is just that something goes off in their head and they figure things out. Betting heavily into any 2yr old race at Saratoga is not a wise move.

Very often horses display high talent in the morning that doesnt translate right away to the races. It takes some horses a race or a few races to put it together. I found my friends info to be quite useful. If you look at a horses debut and don't have any insight that perhaps the horse is better than it showed(even in a winning, albeit green, effort) then you only have that race to go on. Its quite useful to know to expect an improved and faster effort.

skippy3481 · #10 07-25-2006, 05:33 PM

Thank for the info oracle.

Scurlogue Champ · #11 07-26-2006, 04:22 PM

I bet $50 to win on her oracle

Didn't even look at the pp's

KY_Sasquash · #12 07-26-2006, 04:34 PM

Easy money Oracle-gotta love padding the bankroll on day one. Thanks for the info.

Scurlogue Champ · #13 07-26-2006, 04:40 PM

Thanks a bunch oracle

that helped me out

#14 07-26-2006, 04:41 PM

The horse looked good. Looked much much better than his last effort. After all the info Oracle gave out (and who couldnt agree) I still couldnt make myself bet this race. These 2 year olds scare me a little--lol. But great info Oracle. Hey, I am in a handicapping contest this weekend at Keeneland--Saratoga is a track where I can wager--any info would be awesome.

PSH · #15 07-26-2006, 04:43 PM

First the CCA Oaks at 9-1 and now the Spa opening day feature at 8-1...
Bring it on....
Nice win bet and have 5 double possibilities...

Keep it up Mike.
All those naysayers look at the tote board!!!

PSH

stevepopyak · #16 07-26-2006, 04:45 PM

Oracle is the MAN ... $18.60 to win !!!

#17 07-27-2006, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

No knock on your friend, but these figures are useless for two year olds. Aren't you the Circular Quay guy. That horse has been very slow, but you seem to like him. With two year olds they move too much from race to race. Sometimes it is just that something goes off in their head and they figure things out. Betting heavily into any 2yr old race at Saratoga is not a wise move.

Boldruler you are about as useless here as an ice cube maker at the North Pole. Please keep your mouth shut about matters of racing that involve knowledge and stick to talking about some clown who knows soem rich folks, blah blah blah. YOu obviously dont know anything and should be listening and learning instead of talking the embarassing nonsense that you do.

#18 07-27-2006, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Boldruler you are about as useless here as an ice cube maker at the North Pole. Please keep your mouth shut about matters of racing that involve knowledge and stick to talking about some clown who knows soem rich folks, blah blah blah. YOu obviously dont know anything and should be listening and learning instead of talking the embarassing nonsense that you do.

Well that clown you talk about just invested $200,000 in the business.

I even have a very well known trainer working for me starting at the Gulfstream meet this winter. I am also buying two broodmares this fall to use on some freebies that I was given. So things aren't going so bad for me. I might not yet have horses of the Saratoga caliber, but they are going to be all MY horses. You know my name. I will be glad to post everything about MY horses here and I am sure you will be able to verify from the name listed as owner in the drf and who I am. Very exciting stuff and I am not about to allow a know it all rain on my parade.

I still say betting a ton on 2yr olds is crazy. You keep giving out 2yr olds and I guarantee by the end of the meet you will be in the negative. For the record, I had the winner. Not too hard to come up with Pletcher/Velasquez in a 2yr old race at Saratoga. You make it sound like you picked something that nobody else figured. I used to always bet Mott/Bailey when there is value and I always bet Pletcher/Velasquez when there is value. Only an idiot wouldn't.

#19 07-27-2006, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Well that clown you talk about just invested $200,000 in the business.

I even have a very well known trainer working for me starting at the Gulfstream meet this winter. I am also buying two broodmares this fall to use on some freebies that I was given. So things aren't going so bad for me. I might not yet have horses of the Saratoga caliber, but they are going to be all MY horses. You know my name. I will be glad to post everything about MY horses here and I am sure you will be able to verify from the name listed as owner in the drf and who I am. Very exciting stuff and I am not about to allow a know it all rain on my parade.

I still say betting a ton on 2yr olds is crazy. You keep giving out 2yr olds and I guarantee by the end of the meet you will be in the negative. For the record, I had the winner. Not too hard to come up with Pletcher/Velasquez in a 2yr old race at Saratoga. You make it sound like you picked something that nobody else figured. I used to always bet Mott/Bailey when there is value and I always bet Pletcher/Velasquez when there is value. Only an idiot wouldn't.

Yeah all 8-1 shots are so very easy, and I didn't just "pick" her. I built a case that with her debuting with the 2nd best sheet number and utilizing the greatest clocker who ever held a watch's info that she was much better than that debut would indicate, and she was an ATM machine.
And good luck with owning. Lemme know if you need any help picking out a grade one winner, judging by my incoming calls the last week, apparently a lot of people would like some help.

#20 07-27-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah all 8-1 shots are so very easy, and I didn't just "pick" her. I built a case that with her debuting with the 2nd best sheet number and utilizing the greatest clocker who ever held a watch's info that she was much better than that debut would indicate, and she was an ATM machine.
And good luck with owning. Lemme know if you need any help picking out a grade one winner, judging by my incoming calls the last week, apparently a lot of people would like some help.

My freebies will give me a shot at breeding my own good horse. The guy buying my broodmares for me has multiple grade 1 winners on his farm so I think I am in good shape. In fact his farm has the sire of a really really really recent KD winner and an actual KD and Preakness winner. Unfortunately me freebies aren't with either one of them but they are pretty nice horses. One of them is "great".

Good for you with your grade 1 horse and your business. People like me depend on people like you to help us spend our money.