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[Cannon Shell]

The only thing more troubling than the corrupt college presidents refusing to create a playoff system is the calls against Pitt last night. I did not have a penny on the game and have no rooting interest for or against either team (though Wannstedt sucks, old Dolphins anomosity) But there were 2 holding calls against PITT that almost changed the outcome. Bad calls at anytime. But major homer calls when made 2 times in crucial situations.

I have said before that I am the biggest Hawaii fan on the mainland but despite the undefeated season they are not and should not be title game contenders based on this system (I think). I do believe that the schedule they play should not be held against them as much as the schools in the major conferences though. They have no control over the strength of their conference foes. They are not a huge school that gets a ton of bowl money from the WAC. They have a signifigant travel cost to go anywhere. No one with anything to lose will go to Hawaii to play them. Any road game for them is at least a cross country trip that no other team has to go through. But they do deserve a BCS spot. June Jones doesnt get much credit but he takes a bunch of Samoans and rejects and made them into consistent winners. His receivers are as good as anyone. They may be undersized but run perfect routes, catch the ball and run well after the catch. The defense is a little slow and undersized but rotates 8 lineman and plays aggressive. Brennan needs to add a little bulk but has an NFL arm and great field vision. He is better than the trash that the Bears or Dolphins trot out there every week.

I was wrong about Oklahoma. They were very impressive on both sides of the ball. I have a hard time understanding how if teams like Ohio State can move up without playing and LSU can jump from 7th to 2nd with a loss to Arkansas and a slopfest over Tenn but Oklahoma beats the hell out of the number 1 team on a neutral field yet gets no consideration. Georgia fans should be livid at Vanderbilt as their choke job that allowed Tenn to come back and beat them kept the Bulldogs out of the National title game. Because if Georgia gets LSU with its injury troubles in Atlanta, you would be hard pressed to believe they would have lost.

I can see a scenario where there is a split title again. If OSU and LSU play a slopfest(which could happen)and LSU wins when OSU's punter fumbles or some other miracle and USC beats Illinois or Georgia by 40, Or Oklahoma beats whoever they play by 30 the poll voters may go with USC or Oklahoma though the BSC voters are required to vote for the winner of the BCS game. I would love to see the winner of the BCS finish third in the human polls. That is something the BCS deserves. The way this year played out if the season was a few weeks longer Notre Dame would be back in it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only thing more troubling than the corrupt college presidents refusing to create a playoff system is the calls against Pitt last night. I did not have a penny on the game and have no rooting interest for or against either team (though Wannstedt sucks, old Dolphins anomosity) But there were 2 holding calls against PITT that almost changed the outcome. Bad calls at anytime. But major homer calls when made 2 times in crucial situations.

I have said before that I am the biggest Hawaii fan on the mainland but despite the undefeated season they are not and should not be title game contenders based on this system (I think). I do believe that the schedule they play should not be held against them as much as the schools in the major conferences though. They have no control over the strength of their conference foes. They are not a huge school that gets a ton of bowl money from the WAC. They have a signifigant travel cost to go anywhere. No one with anything to lose will go to Hawaii to play them. Any road game for them is at least a cross country trip that no other team has to go through. But they do deserve a BCS spot. June Jones doesnt get much credit but he takes a bunch of Samoans and rejects and made them into consistent winners. His receivers are as good as anyone. They may be undersized but run perfect routes, catch the ball and run well after the catch. The defense is a little slow and undersized but rotates 8 lineman and plays aggressive. Brennan needs to add a little bulk but has an NFL arm and great field vision. He is better than the trash that the Bears or Dolphins trot out there every week.

I was wrong about Oklahoma. They were very impressive on both sides of the ball. I have a hard time understanding how if teams like Ohio State can move up without playing and LSU can jump from 7th to 2nd with a loss to Arkansas and a slopfest over Tenn but Oklahoma beats the hell out of the number 1 team on a neutral field yet gets no consideration. Georgia fans should be livid at Vanderbilt as their choke job that allowed Tenn to come back and beat them kept the Bulldogs out of the National title game. Because if Georgia gets LSU with its injury troubles in Atlanta, you would be hard pressed to believe they would have lost.

I can see a scenario where there is a split title again. If OSU and LSU play a slopfest(which could happen)and LSU wins when OSU's punter fumbles or some other miracle and USC beats Illinois or Georgia by 40, Or Oklahoma beats whoever they play by 30 the poll voters may go with USC or Oklahoma though the BSC voters are required to vote for the winner of the BCS game. I would love to see the winner of the BCS finish third in the human polls. That is something the BCS deserves. The way this year played out if the season was a few weeks longer Notre Dame would be back in it.

An overrated #1 team. Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech... hardly world beaters.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

An overrated #1 team. Oklahoma lost to Colorado and Texas Tech... hardly world beaters.

There is no denying the losses and Mizzou was hardly a powerhouse number 1 but they did win in a convincing fashion and isn't that important? Can you reasonably say that it was the most impressive performance by a top 10 team the last few weeks? I was very skeptical of them (I saw the second half of the Colordao collapse) but they are arguably the best team out there right now, and their credentials are at least as good as Ohio State, LSU, Georgia, Va Tech and USC.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The only thing more troubling than the corrupt college presidents refusing to create a playoff system is the calls against Pitt last night. I did not have a penny on the game and have no rooting interest for or against either team (though Wannstedt sucks, old Dolphins anomosity) But there were 2 holding calls against PITT that almost changed the outcome. Bad calls at anytime. But major homer calls when made 2 times in crucial situations.

I have said before that I am the biggest Hawaii fan on the mainland but despite the undefeated season they are not and should not be title game contenders based on this system (I think). I do believe that the schedule they play should not be held against them as much as the schools in the major conferences though. They have no control over the strength of their conference foes. They are not a huge school that gets a ton of bowl money from the WAC. They have a signifigant travel cost to go anywhere. No one with anything to lose will go to Hawaii to play them. Any road game for them is at least a cross country trip that no other team has to go through. But they do deserve a BCS spot. June Jones doesnt get much credit but he takes a bunch of Samoans and rejects and made them into consistent winners. His receivers are as good as anyone. They may be undersized but run perfect routes, catch the ball and run well after the catch. The defense is a little slow and undersized but rotates 8 lineman and plays aggressive. Brennan needs to add a little bulk but has an NFL arm and great field vision. He is better than the trash that the Bears or Dolphins trot out there every week.

I was wrong about Oklahoma. They were very impressive on both sides of the ball. I have a hard time understanding how if teams like Ohio State can move up without playing and LSU can jump from 7th to 2nd with a loss to Arkansas and a slopfest over Tenn but Oklahoma beats the hell out of the number 1 team on a neutral field yet gets no consideration. Georgia fans should be livid at Vanderbilt as their choke job that allowed Tenn to come back and beat them kept the Bulldogs out of the National title game. Because if Georgia gets LSU with its injury troubles in Atlanta, you would be hard pressed to believe they would have lost.

I can see a scenario where there is a split title again. If OSU and LSU play a slopfest(which could happen)and LSU wins when OSU's punter fumbles or some other miracle and USC beats Illinois or Georgia by 40, Or Oklahoma beats whoever they play by 30 the poll voters may go with USC or Oklahoma though the BSC voters are required to vote for the winner of the BCS game. I would love to see the winner of the BCS finish third in the human polls. That is something the BCS deserves. The way this year played out if the season was a few weeks longer Notre Dame would be back in it.

Chuck..That is an incredible dissertation on the state of college football. But I am too hungover to even try and reply intelligently, so I will focus instead on the sheer entertainment value that Dave Wannestedt and his crutches brought to last night's game. See Dave hobble, see Dave thrashing helplessly with crutches, see Dave throw crutches to the ground, see Dave walking without crutches ( praaaaaise Jesus). DOCICU needs to comment on what prevailing as a 3 touchdown underdog can do for healing what ails you.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Chuck..That is an incredible dissertation on the state of college football. But I am too hungover to even try and reply intelligently, so I will focus instead on the sheer entertainment value that Dave Wannestedt and his crutches brought to last night's game. See Dave hobble, see Dave thrashing helplessly with crutches, see Dave throw crutches to the ground, see Dave walking without crutches ( praaaaaise Jesus). DOCICU needs to comment on what prevailing as a 3 touchdown underdog can do for healing what ails you.

You still gotta love the porn star stache

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You still gotta love the porn star stache

He is a very handsome man

[AeWingnut]

if Missouri was #1 and Ohio St can be playing for the BCS title - how does Illinois not deserve to go to the Rose Bowl? They defeated Ohio St in Ohio and lost to Missouri in a close game.

I'll take the 40 points

what's the bet now?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

if Missouri was #1 and Ohio St can be playing for the BCS title - how does Illinois not deserve to go to the Rose Bowl? They defeated Ohio St in Ohio and lost to Missouri in a close game.

I'll take the 40 points

what's the bet now?

I believe there was talk about Illinois facing Florida in the Capital One Bowl. I haven't seen the Zookster in person for a while now.

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I believe there was talk about Illinois facing Florida in the Capital One Bowl. I haven't seen the Zookster in person for a while now.

there is still a possibility of a BCS bowl/ Rose Bowl appearance

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

if Missouri was #1 and Ohio St can be playing for the BCS title - how does Illinois not deserve to go to the Rose Bowl? They defeated Ohio St in Ohio and lost to Missouri in a close game.

I'll take the 40 points

what's the bet now?

all will be revealed tonight at 7.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Danzig

all will be revealed tonight at 7.

8PM EST. Hahaha

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

He is a very handsome man

West Virginia should start next season with a loss for losing a big game to Chokin Dave. The ironic thing was Wannsteadt got an extention BEFORE the game. I was waiting for the reaction when they got hammered to finish the season at 4-8 and the coach gets an extention. Even though we are seemingly shellshocked from all the big upsets, this one was as unlikely as any of them considering what was at stake.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

West Virginia should start next season with a loss for losing a big game to Chokin Dave. The ironic thing was Wannsteadt got an extention BEFORE the game. I was waiting for the reaction when they got hammered to finish the season at 4-8 and the coach gets an extention. Even though we are seemingly shellshocked from all the big upsets, this one was as unlikely as any of them considering what was at stake.

i heard friday he got an extension, which i thought was highly amusing. but pitt must be happy with him--he continues their long tradition of mediocrity. but then to beat the mountaineers....unbelievable.
shame i missed the game, only one we managed to see was lsu.

[King Glorious]

What I'd be happy with if they don't go to a playoff is the old bowl system with the old conference tie-ins, with a few changes:

Rose-Big 10 vs. Pac 10 (Ohio St. vs. USC)
Sugar-SEC (LSU vs. Georgia)
Orange-ACC (Va Tech vs. Hawaii)
Cotton-Big 12 (Oklahoma vs. Florida)
Fiesta-Big East (West Va vs. Missouri)

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What I'd be happy with if they don't go to a playoff is the old bowl system with the old conference tie-ins, with a few changes:

Rose-Big 10 vs. Pac 10 (Ohio St. vs. USC)
Sugar-SEC (LSU vs. Georgia)
Orange-ACC (Va Tech vs. Hawaii)
Cotton-Big 12 (Oklahoma vs. Florida)
Fiesta-Big East (West Va vs. Missouri)

Good games but if USC wins by 14, LSU wins by 1, Hawaii wins by 10, Oklahoma wins by 28, and WV wins by 6 in 5 ot's, who is number 1?

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Good games but if USC wins by 14, LSU wins by 1, Hawaii wins by 10, Oklahoma wins by 28, and WV wins by 6 in 5 ot's, who is number 1?

I object.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I object.

Ok even better, FL wins by 40. Can a 3 loss team be voted number 1?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Good games but if USC wins by 14, LSU wins by 1, Hawaii wins by 10, Oklahoma wins by 28, and WV wins by 6 in 5 ot's, who is number 1?

We'd be left with a debate.....kinda like how we are going to be left with one anyway. The old system was fine. Several teams would walk away from the season feeling like they were the best team and then every once in a while, u'd get a 1 vs 2 matchup in the bowl. Obviously, a playoff would be the best way to determine the champion but in lieu of that, go back to the old way. The BCS supporters will argue that their system has provided exactly what it was intended to provide, a guaranteed 1 vs 2 matchup every year. What they should have guaranteed instead is total chaos in determining just who those two teams should be.

[Mortimer]

ICU petitioning BCS to eliminate OT from NC game.

[Mortimer]

LLes Miles reportedly now being interviewed by Michigan again only this time in Arkansas clothing.

It has also been reported Miles has purchased a 3rd home in Ann Arbor.