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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think it is sad that a team like Kansas can beat up on cupcakes and go to a BCS bowl game.

Illinois went to The Ohio St and beat them.

they are on the cusp. Illinois isn't too far fetched. Time to redeem the UCLA Rose bowl debacle

Missouri beat Illinois.
Back to square one.
Its a mess.

It should go something like this:
Regular season BCS used to determine 8 teams in the playoff (yes the moaning for the 8th spot will be heard).
The regular season should count; the playoffs determine who
the best team is at the end of the season. Its like this in almost
every other sport.

But its not gonna happen... and its sad.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Missouri beat Illinois.
Back to square one.
Its a mess.

It should go something like this:
Regular season BCS used to determine 8 teams in the playoff (yes the moaning for the 8th spot will be heard).
The regular season should count; the playoffs determine who
the best team is at the end of the season. Its like this in almost
every other sport.

But its not gonna happen... and its sad.

One thing about Missouri beating Illinois is that this is one of those cases(and people use this 'excuse way too often) that Illinois is a completely different team now then when they played Missouri, and that game was alot closer then the score indicated. If I remember correctly a couple no-calls and it is a FG game.

I am not an Illinois fan, but I had them on the radar real early in the year(kinda a redboard but my friends could confirm). Zook has done some amazing recruiting things there, which I thought would be impossible. Next year they will win the Big Ten as long as no serious injuries, they are a very young team this year and have progressed like a well coached team does

Originally Posted by Scav

One thing about Missouri beating Illinois is that this is one of those cases(and people use this 'excuse way too often) that Illinois is a completely different team now then when they played Missouri, and that game was alot closer then the score indicated. If I remember correctly a couple no-calls and it is a FG game.

I am not an Illinois fan, but I had them on the radar real early in the year(kinda a redboard but my friends could confirm). Zook has done some amazing recruiting things there, which I thought would be impossible. Next year they will win the Big Ten as long as no serious injuries, they are a very young team this year and have progressed like a well coached team does

So the regular season does not count.
I think the best team in the nation right now
is USC. So they should go because I say they are the best now.
This is what we got now... anyone present your
case for another team. It is fun.

[SilverRP]

OU -- their 2 losses came on the road. Big 12 champs.

I know a loss is a loss, but since we are evaluating 2 loss teams, shouldn't a loss at home against an unranked team be a worse loss than on the road?

[gales0678]

of course

LSU has no more right to the game than OU or USC , but , ESPN would have you beleieve differently

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Missouri beat Illinois.
Back to square one.
Its a mess.

It should go something like this:
Regular season BCS used to determine 8 teams in the playoff (yes the moaning for the 8th spot will be heard).The regular season should count; the playoffs determine who
the best team is at the end of the season. Its like this in almost
every other sport.

But its not gonna happen... and its sad.

It's not just moaning...how the heck do you detemine the top 8 teams when you can barely determine the top 2? I understand the appeal of a playoff, but if the same "formula" is followed for determining who is 6, 7, 8, 9, etc as you do for who is 1 or 2, it will be chaos.

For what it's worth, there shouldn't be any pre-season polls that weigh in the BCS formula. How can you rank a team in such an important structure that hasn't played a game yet? At least in college hoops there is a long enough season AND a tournament that invites 64 so there is usually a fair mix. But with a 10-12 game season, no tournament and a pre-season ranking that unfairly sets the table, I'm not sure how you can get a true "playoff" or bowl structure for football.

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's not just moaning...how the heck do you detemine the top 8 teams when you can barely determine the top 2? I understand the appeal of a playoff, but if the same "formula" is followed for determining who is 6, 7, 8, 9, etc as you do for who is 1 or 2, it will be chaos.

For what it's worth, there shouldn't be any pre-season polls that weigh in the BCS formula. How can you rank a team in such an important structure that hasn't played a game yet? At least in college hoops there is a long enough season AND a tournament that invites 64 so there is usually a fair mix. But with a 10-12 game season, no tournament and a pre-season ranking that unfairly sets the table,

Not as bad because the best two teams will presumably be in the playoff.

Agree.

There is no way a playoff system could be as unfair as what we got now. Even if a child puts it together.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Not as bad because the best two teams will presumably be in the playoff.

Agree.

There is no way a playoff system could be as unfair as what we got now. Even if a child puts it together.

OK..Can't argue with that.

There isn't another sport's evaluation/ranking/standings that depends more on a non-participant's opinion that college football. Well, that I know of. We all know what really matters to University Chancellors, ADs, etc...$$$.. and to have most teams inactive for 4-6 weeks..ie..not playing in a game that can generate revenue, is pretty hypocritical to those who whine about their team's ranking

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

OK..Can't argue with that.

There isn't another sport's evaluation/ranking/standings that depends more on a non-participant's opinion that college football. Well, that I know of. We all know what really matters to University Chancellors, ADs, etc...$$$.. and to have most teams inactive for 4-6 weeks..ie..not playing in a game that can generate revenue, is pretty hypocritical to those who whine about their team's ranking

It is hard to believe that a 16 team playoff using existing bowls for the preliminary games wouldn't generate a whole lot more money than the current system.

[Danzig]

i used to think that as well, that a playoff system could work. but then you look at the number of bowls out there.
guy was on mike and mike, talking about the current system vs a playoff system. i don't think it'll ever change. there is just too much money involved, and it would not be comparable to the lesser schools who go to the lesser bowls to switch systems. yes, the top eight might still end up ok--but there are over 60 teams who go to bowls. title ix was also mentioned as a factor.
for many schools, their football program funds practically all of their other sports at the school. lose the current money making system, then what?

besides, look at how much interest is generated, the debate. still pretty exciting stuff.

after hearing all this talk lately, i'm convinced the current system will not change. i guess the bcs title game is the best they can do regarding settling who is #1. the trick remains getting the top two in that game to play for #1!!

in other words, you may as well snuggle up and get comfy with the bowl system, instead of going nuts waiting for a change that will never come.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i used to think that as well, that a playoff system could work. but then you look at the number of bowls out there.
guy was on mike and mike, talking about the current system vs a playoff system. i don't think it'll ever change. there is just too much money involved, and it would not be comparable to the lesser schools who go to the lesser bowls to switch systems. yes, the top eight might still end up ok--but there are over 60 teams who go to bowls. title ix was also mentioned as a factor.
for many schools, their football program funds practically all of their other sports at the school. lose the current money making system, then what?

besides, look at how much interest is generated, the debate. still pretty exciting stuff.

after hearing all this talk lately, i'm convinced the current system will not change. i guess the bcs title game is the best they can do regarding settling who is #1. the trick remains getting the top two in that game to play for #1!!

in other words, you may as well snuggle up and get comfy with the bowl system, instead of going nuts waiting for a change that will never come.

No one said the **** sack bowls had to go. The fact is that the teams that play in the lower level games dont really make much money from them anyway. A 16 team playoff would generate WAY more money than the current system which could be disrtibuted among all division 1 teams so that everyone benefits. The propaganda is sickening.
Check this out
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;_...yhoo&type=lgns

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is hard to believe that a 16 team playoff using existing bowls for the preliminary games wouldn't generate a whole lot more money than the current system.

Agreed...