HOF First Time Nominees...cough, cough

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,you're just one of many that don't like Garvey,but to compare him to that piece of crap Perez is low. I'M never gunna let your forget it,either.Garvey has a league MVP,and you don't.You never got beyond 3rd in the voting.Garvey came 2nd in the voting in'78 also.You're not matching up with Garvey.You don't have the numbers.Garvey getting in to the HOF is probably not gunna happen,but he was a whole lot better than Tony Perez was.Well,**** man why don't you answer me why Garvey was starting 1st base in ALLSTAR GAMES in front of Perez? Perez was playing atleast 130 games per year '74 through '79.If he was better,or of equal ability, why didn't he start in the ALLSTAR GAME IN FRONT OF GARVEY? YOUR 1ST BASEMAN NEVER F'N EVER DID(AND NEVER WILL)START AS AN ALLSTAR 1ST BASEMAN.Garvey was a starting allstar 1st baseman 9 times.Even if you go to the "he didn't deserve it" card,and say he only deserved to start in half of those years,where is Perez to match that?Played same position,Garvey got voted in 9 times to start at 1st base.****** like you gunna tell me Perez was his match? Damn idiot.

Tony Perez' best years were 1967 through 1973. Garvey didn't even start full time until 1973. Of course Perez never started an all star game ahead of Garvey. Perez was well past his prime when Garvey was in his. Perez had years that Garvey never came close to matching before Garvey was even playing. 1969 and 1970 were Perez' best years...Garvey could only dream of having years that big. I said I think they were similar players with similar careers. I actually think Perez was a better player overall. I honestly don't think Perez was his match. I think Perez was an overall better offensive player during his career. I don't care who their teammates were. Perez was better at OBP, slugging, OPS. I'll take that player any day. Stop being so clownish about this. Perez was 32 in 1974...Garvey was 25. So Garvey was better from 25 to 30 than Perez was from 33-38...cool analysis there scuds. That has tons of meaning. But that in essence is why Garvey was starting all star games ahead of Perez...he was basically 7 years younger than Perez.

I appreciate your love of the Dodgers and your support of Garvey. He was still not a better player than Perez at all. He made more contact and hit for a higher average. Those were the only two aspect of offense where Garvey surpassed Perez. Perez was better at everything else. Defense at first base?? Not a big deal in my opinion. Perez did start an all star game at 3rd base...something Garvey never did!!

So I guess I agree with you. If you eliminate 1965 through 1973 from Tony Perez' career, yes, Steve Garvey was indeed a better player. And if you eliminate 1919 through 1930, Garvey was better than Babe Ruth as well. And if you eliminate 1946-1958 he was better than Ted Williams. And if you eliminate 1960-1969 he was better than Hank Aaron. I like this game. At some point I think we can simply call Steve Garvey the best that ever played the game.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

I'm just stopping in long enough to let you know you're writing for everybody else,cuz I am not writing back n' forth about Garvey versus Perez.You're an idiot to think Perez is equal or better.If Perez had atleast 6 chances to beat him out for Allstar 1st baseman(and couldn't,) then shut the f up.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

I'm just stopping in long enough to let you know you're writing for everybody else,cuz I am not writing back n' forth about Garvey versus Perez.You're an idiot to think Perez is equal or better.If Perez had atleast 6 chances to beat him out for Allstar 1st baseman(and couldn't,) then shut the f up.

Settle down. Those were the days when players were past their prime not long after 30. Garvey never hit .300 again after age 31. His game declined sharply after that point as Perez did after that age. For you to tell me why wasn't a man 7 years older than Garvey in his prime beating him out to start all star games borders on craziness. All star game starts is something I don't even consider when judging players. And Perez was a much better player from 32 to 38 than Garvey was. I prefer Perez at any age over Garvey. And I honestly can't tell you why a 1st baseman who slugged .373, had an OBP of
.307 and hit under 10 home runs was starting an all star game I simply cannot tell you. So 1984 alone should tell you what all star starts mean.

So if you want to tell me a 1st baseman with a .670 OPS, 8 home runs and a
.284 average and 24 walks in 617 at bats is an all star starter which means he is a better player than Tony Perez continue on with full force is all I can say. Of course he also got an all star start in 1985 when his OPS was all the way up to .779 and he OBP was way up to .318 and 35 walks in 654 at bats.

So I'm sorry I'm not impressed with all those all star starts by Garvey. You keep on keeping on though.