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Old 11-26-2007, 09:49 PM
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There is a list of criteria for automatic nomination. I believe one of the criteria is that you are a 2 or 3 time all-star. So there are a lot of players nominated that were not even great players, just good players on crappy teams that had to have a representative.
How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?
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Old 11-26-2007, 09:54 PM
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How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?
Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:03 PM
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Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?
LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:07 PM
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LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)
Ok....only because the football game is going to end scoreless
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:34 PM
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Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:12 AM
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Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.

Awards
1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

Let me explain to the dense... They are saying he was the best player in the league in'74.Then they're trying to tell you he was responsible for putting his team in the World Series in 78,and 84.Seems the individual was a lil more clutch a player than one,Chuck S is able to admit.He gives a post season batting %.Others were willing to say he was the most responsible(in both '78 and '84) for his team getting to the world series.

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Old 11-27-2007, 01:15 AM
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Won the 1974 NL MVP… Also finished in top 10 in NL MVP voting
in 1976 (T6th), `77 (6th), `78 (2nd) and `80 (6th)…Ranks second
all-time in fielding among first basemen (.9959)… Ten All-Star teams,
including eight consecutively (1974-'81, '84-'85); batted .393 with
seven RBI and two HR in 28 ASG at-bats… Holds ASG record for most
games played at 1B (10)…Named ASG MVP in 1974 and `78… Won four NL
Gold Gloves, consecutively (1974-`77)… Eight seasons with .300-plus
batting average and six seasons with 200-plus hits… 100-plus RBI five
times, 20-plus HR six times, and 30-plus doubles seven times… Led NL
in hits twice (1978, '80)… Holds ML records among 1B for most
consecutive errorless games, season (159), in 1984 (entire season);
most consecutive errorless chances, season (1,319), 1984; and most
consecutive errorless games, career (193), 1983-`85… Holds NL record
for most consecutive errorless chances accepted, 1B, (1,633), 1983-85…
Led NL 1B in games nine times (1975-'81, '84-'85), putouts six times
(1974-'78, '85), fielding average five times (1975-'77, '81, '84),
total chances five times (1974,'75, '77, '78, '85), and DPs once
(1985)… One NL Division Series (1981); batted .368 with four RBI and
two HR in 19 NLDS at-bats… Five NL Championship Series (1974, `77,
`78, `81, `84); hit .356 in 90 NLCS at-bats… Holds career NLCS record
for HR (8) and RBI (21)…Named MVP of NLCS (1978, '84)… Five World
Series (1974, `77, `78, `81, `84); batted .319 with six RBI and five
doubles in 113 WS at-bats… Two errors in 55 post-season games… Member
of 1981 WS championship team.
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Old 11-27-2007, 10:41 AM
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Awards
1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

Let me explain to the dense... They are saying he was the best player in the league in'74.Then they're trying to tell you he was responsible for putting his team in the World Series in 78,and 84.Seems the individual was a lil more clutch a player than one,Chuck S is able to admit.He gives a post season batting %.Others were willing to say he was the most responsible(in both '78 and '84) for his team getting to the world series.
In 1984 Garvey played in 161 games, hit .284 with 8 HR's and 81 RBI's. His OBP and SLG % were .307 and .370 which are weak for a utility middle infielder let alone a supposed HOF 1st baseman.
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:51 PM
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1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

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If there was ever a time to kick someone's a$$. That was the year to do it. LOL!!!

He had a great Cartoon written about him.
"..., and Garvey hits another Home Run to win the game. His family is at home plate waiting for him to score." His 500+ children yell, "Hooray Daddy!"
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:08 PM
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Don't tell me his stuff wasn't good enough.He has a 130.5 HOF MONITOR RATING(130 is suppose to be a virtual lock,and so it's bullshit to keep saying he wasn't good enough.You fkrs that want people to play average for a long time,(and pad #'s) are just wrong.If your the best player in a league for a year..then probably you should go in.That(to me) is more important than playing 20 years,and getting a lot of whateva.YOU GUNNA SAY THE WRITERS WERE ON DOPE IN '74? BEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE,BUT OH NO,HE WAS NEVA GOOD ENOUGH..WAS HE? NOT ACCORDING TO NOT- IT- ALL CHUCK.Lackey was puke in the post.Like I said he'd be.You were wrong then,and you are wrong now.He is good enough.His personal life is keeping him out.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:12 PM
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How many times (out of 9) were the fans wrong? Don't just say they are wrong.Say they are wrong because so n' so should've started at 1st base.
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:38 PM
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Don't tell me his stuff wasn't good enough.He has a 130.5 HOF MONITOR RATING(130 is suppose to be a virtual lock,and so it's bullshit to keep saying he wasn't good enough.You fkrs that want people to play average for a long time,(and pad #'s) are just wrong.If your the best player in a league for a year..then probably you should go in.That(to me) is more important than playing 20 years,and getting a lot of whateva.YOU GUNNA SAY THE WRITERS WERE ON DOPE IN '74? BEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE,BUT OH NO,HE WAS NEVA GOOD ENOUGH..WAS HE? NOT ACCORDING TO NOT- IT- ALL CHUCK.Lackey was puke in the post.Like I said he'd be.You were wrong then,and you are wrong now.He is good enough.His personal life is keeping him out.
Zolio Versailles should be in according to that logic. Dale Murphy has 2 MVP's and he isn't in nor should he be. And Garvey did stay around past his prime and did pad the stats just to get him where they are.

And I dont have a HOF vote but those that do never supported Garvey even a little bit.
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:27 PM
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Zolio Versailles should be in according to that logic. Dale Murphy has 2 MVP's and he isn't in nor should he be. And Garvey did stay around past his prime and did pad the stats just to get him where they are.

And I dont have a HOF vote but those that do never supported Garvey even a little bit.
We disagree about what should get in the HOF.You like quantity over quality.Hence, the low # of Grade One Wins........Dale Murphy was voted to be the best player in the league...the champion player ..above all others...2 times..If you do that, you should get in automatically.My God lets award some champions.Somebody who was best at something.
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Buckner HOF Monitor: Batting - 69.5 (Likely HOFer > 100)

Shows how off you are.Garvey has a 130.5 rating.How dare you mention Garvey and Buckner together.That is low.Staub is even ranked lower than Buckner 59.0 (Likely HOFer > 100.)These guys played very average for a long time,and you even mention them as better than Garvey at anything? Just because they played longer? You're a whack when it comes to HOF. That's not an opinion.That's a fact.You just compared a guy with a 130.5 to guys with less than 70.They say 130 is a virtual cinch to get in.Obviously it isn't,but a 130.5 is far from not being good enough(they just said it should be easily good enough..not borderline.)
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We disagree about what should get in the HOF.You like quantity over quality.Hence, the low # of Grade One Wins........Dale Murphy was voted to be the best player in the league...the champion player ..above all others...2 times..If you do that, you should get in automatically.My God lets award some champions.Somebody who was best at something.
You act as though Garvey had his career cut short. He played in 2300 games! He should have amassed better numbers than he did. He was a very good 1st baseman for 5 years, ok for 7, and below average for 4. He did nothing so outstanding that seperated him from other good but not great players. The amusing part of your argument is that he is everything that you accuse me of being biased toward. A guy who played a lot, hung on for a long time, had a decent peak but was pretty middle of the road for the rest of his career.
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