National Pride

Rudeboyelvis · #1 11-26-2007, 08:22 PM

My response was to post #26

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

My other problem with him is his unreliability and I say that from a gambling standpoint. Many of his winners seem to come out of left field while his logical types seem to underperform. In the last 12 months he has won with 18% of his returning winners for a $1.57 ROI and over five years those numbers have been 17% and $1.53. Not awful numbers, but certainly far from impressive, and considering the number of starters I think it is fair to say he underperforms.

Also, his numbers with favorites further back up this up, as even though he has won with a reasonable 32% and 31% for the last year and five years respectively, his ROI has been $1.48 for the past 12 months and $1.51 for the past five years. Once again, I think it is fair to say from these numbers he underperforms.

But I understand where you are coming from. That said, Bill Kaplan purchased 3 horses from Ocala for less then 100k combined - all three were in the Derby and none have been heard from since (unless you count Imwildandcrazyguy or whatever his name is, who's done nothing)

EDIT: Storm in May and I'mawildandcrazyguy were in the Derby....I knew he had another on the Trail but can't recolect the name...

ArlJim78 · #2 11-26-2007, 08:35 PM

I know Gann bought Medaglia D'Oro after a couple of starts or so. Anyone remember who had him first?

blackthroatedwind · #3 11-26-2007, 08:38 PM

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I know Gann bought Medaglia D'Oro after a couple of starts or so. Anyone remember who had him first?

I want to say Ron Moffett but I could be completely wrong. I'll see if I can dig it up.

Cannon Shell · #4 11-26-2007, 08:51 PM

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I want to say Ron Moffett but I could be completely wrong. I'll see if I can dig it up.

A guy named Jones I believe. Who the hell is Ron Moffett? Sounds like a porn star.

blackthroatedwind · #5 11-26-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A guy named Jones I believe. Who the hell is Ron Moffett? Sounds like a porn star.

Isn't he a trainer?

Was I not only wrong but did I also make someone up? Do I get points for that?

Linny is right.....he did come from Arkansas.

Cannon Shell · #6 11-26-2007, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Isn't he a trainer?

Was I not only wrong but did I also make someone up? Do I get points for that?

Linny is right.....he did come from Arkansas.

You do get points for making up a guy...you may have Ron Moquett is mind

blackthroatedwind · #7 11-26-2007, 09:06 PM

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you may have Ron Moquett is mind

Yes.

blackthroatedwind · #8 11-26-2007, 09:02 PM

Kiaran's numbers are actually kind of interesting and obviously involve some fairly well bred horses. Though Lear's Princess only cost $110K. While three winners from early this year all went on extensive " vacations ", one won back with a 100 plus Beyer fig and another won two additional races, Divine Park, including the Grade 3 Withers. Lear's Princess had a full year and won a Grade 1 and placed in two others. Etched returned from a maiden win to win the Grade 3 Nashua and three have been very recent winners.

But, we are obviously, as you said, dealing with much more expensive stock. I don't think he makes a fair comparison with Contessa either way.

Rudeboyelvis · #9 11-26-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A guy named Jones I believe. Who the hell is Ron Moffett? Sounds like a porn star.

That was Ron Muff Split

Linny · #10 11-26-2007, 08:52 PM

I think he came from Arkansas. I don't remember who had him but he was not at what most would consider an A track.

Cannon Shell · #11 11-26-2007, 08:53 PM

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I think he came from Arkansas. I don't remember who had him but he was not at what most would consider an A track.

I think he won at Ellis which is not even a B track

RolloTomasi · #12 11-26-2007, 08:54 PM

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I think he won at Ellis which is not even a B track

MDO came from Oaklawn Park. I think he had two starts, a win and a second, both in maiden special weights.

ArlJim78 · #13 11-26-2007, 08:55 PM

David Vance.

i pulled up his lifetime pp's
He debuted at Turfway finishing 2nd, then broke his maiden at Oaklawn before going to Frankel.

Cannon Shell · #14 11-26-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

David Vance.

i pulled up his lifetime pp's
He debuted at Turfway finishing 2nd, then broke his maiden at Oaklawn before going to Frankel.

No wonder Vance always looks so mad at the world. First Possum Head steals a BC win from him then MDO

Cannon Shell · #15 11-26-2007, 09:22 PM

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