National Pride

[blackthroatedwind]

My other problem with him is his unreliability and I say that from a gambling standpoint. Many of his winners seem to come out of left field while his logical types seem to underperform. In the last 12 months he has won with 18% of his returning winners for a $1.57 ROI and over five years those numbers have been 17% and $1.53. Not awful numbers, but certainly far from impressive, and considering the number of starters I think it is fair to say he underperforms.

Also, his numbers with favorites further back up this up, as even though he has won with a reasonable 32% and 31% for the last year and five years respectively, his ROI has been $1.48 for the past 12 months and $1.51 for the past five years. Once again, I think it is fair to say from these numbers he underperforms.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

My other problem with him is his unreliability and I say that from a gambling standpoint. Many of his winners seem to come out of left field while his logical types seem to underperform. In the last 12 months he has won with 18% of his returning winners for a $1.57 ROI and over five years those numbers have been 17% and $1.53. Not awful numbers, but certainly far from impressive, and considering the number of starters I think it is fair to say he underperforms.

Also, his numbers with favorites further back up this up, as even though he has won with a reasonable 32% and 31% for the last year and five years respectively, his ROI has been $1.48 for the past 12 months and $1.51 for the past five years. Once again, I think it is fair to say from these numbers he underperforms.

Now I would say you've covered it thanks

[Rudeboyelvis]

My response was to post #26

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

My other problem with him is his unreliability and I say that from a gambling standpoint. Many of his winners seem to come out of left field while his logical types seem to underperform. In the last 12 months he has won with 18% of his returning winners for a $1.57 ROI and over five years those numbers have been 17% and $1.53. Not awful numbers, but certainly far from impressive, and considering the number of starters I think it is fair to say he underperforms.

Also, his numbers with favorites further back up this up, as even though he has won with a reasonable 32% and 31% for the last year and five years respectively, his ROI has been $1.48 for the past 12 months and $1.51 for the past five years. Once again, I think it is fair to say from these numbers he underperforms.

But I understand where you are coming from. That said, Bill Kaplan purchased 3 horses from Ocala for less then 100k combined - all three were in the Derby and none have been heard from since (unless you count Imwildandcrazyguy or whatever his name is, who's done nothing)

EDIT: Storm in May and I'mawildandcrazyguy were in the Derby....I knew he had another on the Trail but can't recolect the name...

[ArlJim78]

I know Gann bought Medaglia D'Oro after a couple of starts or so. Anyone remember who had him first?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I know Gann bought Medaglia D'Oro after a couple of starts or so. Anyone remember who had him first?

I want to say Ron Moffett but I could be completely wrong. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I want to say Ron Moffett but I could be completely wrong. I'll see if I can dig it up.

A guy named Jones I believe. Who the hell is Ron Moffett? Sounds like a porn star.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A guy named Jones I believe. Who the hell is Ron Moffett? Sounds like a porn star.

Isn't he a trainer?

Was I not only wrong but did I also make someone up? Do I get points for that?

Linny is right.....he did come from Arkansas.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Isn't he a trainer?

Was I not only wrong but did I also make someone up? Do I get points for that?

Linny is right.....he did come from Arkansas.

You do get points for making up a guy...you may have Ron Moquett is mind

[blackthroatedwind]

Kiaran's numbers are actually kind of interesting and obviously involve some fairly well bred horses. Though Lear's Princess only cost $110K. While three winners from early this year all went on extensive " vacations ", one won back with a 100 plus Beyer fig and another won two additional races, Divine Park, including the Grade 3 Withers. Lear's Princess had a full year and won a Grade 1 and placed in two others. Etched returned from a maiden win to win the Grade 3 Nashua and three have been very recent winners.

But, we are obviously, as you said, dealing with much more expensive stock. I don't think he makes a fair comparison with Contessa either way.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

A guy named Jones I believe. Who the hell is Ron Moffett? Sounds like a porn star.

That was Ron Muff Split

[Linny]

I think he came from Arkansas. I don't remember who had him but he was not at what most would consider an A track.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Linny

I think he came from Arkansas. I don't remember who had him but he was not at what most would consider an A track.

I think he won at Ellis which is not even a B track

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think he won at Ellis which is not even a B track

MDO came from Oaklawn Park. I think he had two starts, a win and a second, both in maiden special weights.

[ArlJim78]

David Vance.

i pulled up his lifetime pp's
He debuted at Turfway finishing 2nd, then broke his maiden at Oaklawn before going to Frankel.

[Cannon Shell]

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