HOF First Time Nominees...cough, cough

3kings · #1 11-26-2007, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob

Agreed on Lee Smith as well.

How do they come up with these "nominees"?...It seems like getting a star on the walk of fame in Hollywood...you can just buy one.

Hell..based on my High School baseball stats, I'd probably fall between Rijo and Stottlemeyer...Better figure out who my presenter is

There is a list of criteria for automatic nomination. I believe one of the criteria is that you are a 2 or 3 time all-star. So there are a lot of players nominated that were not even great players, just good players on crappy teams that had to have a representative.

SCUDSBROTHER · #2 11-26-2007, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 3kings

There is a list of criteria for automatic nomination. I believe one of the criteria is that you are a 2 or 3 time all-star. So there are a lot of players nominated that were not even great players, just good players on crappy teams that had to have a representative.

How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?

Cannon Shell · #3 11-26-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

How about being NL-MVP IN '74,AND BEING THE STARTING 1ST BASEMAN 9 F'N TIMES IN THE ALLSTAR GAME?
1974 (1B)
1975 (1B)
1976 (1B)
1977 (1B)
1978 (1B)
1979 (1B)
1980 (1B)
1981 *
1984 (1B)
1985 (1B)

* Played,but didn't start.

Isn't this what Sandberg did too?(NL-MVP IN '84 AND 9 times started in the ALLSTAR GAME.)F'n Tony Perez started in the ALLSTAR GAME how many times?

Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?

SCUDSBROTHER · #4 11-26-2007, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Starting in the all star game is determined by fans popularity not achievement. He simply does not have the numbers...do we really have to go through this again?

LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)

Cannon Shell · #5 11-26-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

LETS DO IT.......YOU'RE GUNNA BE WRONG EACH TIME(BECAUSE YOU GO BY LENGTH OF CAREER,AND GATHERING UP A LOT OF SOMETHING OVER TIME........LIKE HE DID WITH ALLSTAR APPEARANCES....SO TO NEGATE THAT YOU USE THE FANS=****.)

Ok....only because the football game is going to end scoreless

Cannon Shell · #6 11-26-2007, 10:34 PM

Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.

SCUDSBROTHER · #7 11-27-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Garveys numbers

2332 games
1143 runs
2599 hits
272 HR's
1308 RBI
479 BB
1003 K
.294 Avg
.329 OBP
.446 Slg

1 MVP
9 All Star
4 Gold Gloves

hit well in postseason .338 11 31 in 55 games

But his average season of .294 19HRS 91RBIS 79 RUNS .329OBP .446SLG
and the fact he never led the league in any catagory except hits 2 times and Double Plays 2 times simply is not good enough to get him in as a 1st baseman. He is ranked behind non hall of famers Rusty Staub, Al Oliver and Bill Buckner in both HR, hits , OBP and Slg %. He has lessor numbers than Will Clark. He did a lot of nice things and was a very good player but not really a Hall of Famer.

Awards
1974-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1974-NL-MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-ML-AS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1978-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"
1981-ML-Roberto Clemente Award
1984-ML-Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
1984-NLCS MVP1st at something....notice the word "most"

Let me explain to the dense... They are saying he was the best player in the league in'74.Then they're trying to tell you he was responsible for putting his team in the World Series in 78,and 84.Seems the individual was a lil more clutch a player than one,Chuck S is able to admit.He gives a post season batting %.Others were willing to say he was the most responsible(in both '78 and '84) for his team getting to the world series.

SCUDSBROTHER · #8 11-26-2007, 10:08 PM

Don't tell me his stuff wasn't good enough.He has a 130.5 HOF MONITOR RATING(130 is suppose to be a virtual lock,and so it's bullshit to keep saying he wasn't good enough.You fkrs that want people to play average for a long time,(and pad #'s) are just wrong.If your the best player in a league for a year..then probably you should go in.That(to me) is more important than playing 20 years,and getting a lot of whateva.YOU GUNNA SAY THE WRITERS WERE ON DOPE IN '74? BEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE,BUT OH NO,HE WAS NEVA GOOD ENOUGH..WAS HE? NOT ACCORDING TO NOT- IT- ALL CHUCK.Lackey was puke in the post.Like I said he'd be.You were wrong then,and you are wrong now.He is good enough.His personal life is keeping him out.

SCUDSBROTHER · #9 11-26-2007, 10:12 PM

How many times (out of 9) were the fans wrong? Don't just say they are wrong.Say they are wrong because so n' so should've started at 1st base.

Cannon Shell · #10 11-26-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Don't tell me his stuff wasn't good enough.He has a 130.5 HOF MONITOR RATING(130 is suppose to be a virtual lock,and so it's bullshit to keep saying he wasn't good enough.You fkrs that want people to play average for a long time,(and pad #'s) are just wrong.If your the best player in a league for a year..then probably you should go in.That(to me) is more important than playing 20 years,and getting a lot of whateva.YOU GUNNA SAY THE WRITERS WERE ON DOPE IN '74? BEST PLAYER IN LEAGUE,BUT OH NO,HE WAS NEVA GOOD ENOUGH..WAS HE? NOT ACCORDING TO NOT- IT- ALL CHUCK.Lackey was puke in the post.Like I said he'd be.You were wrong then,and you are wrong now.He is good enough.His personal life is keeping him out.

Zolio Versailles should be in according to that logic. Dale Murphy has 2 MVP's and he isn't in nor should he be. And Garvey did stay around past his prime and did pad the stats just to get him where they are.

And I dont have a HOF vote but those that do never supported Garvey even a little bit.

SCUDSBROTHER · #11 11-26-2007, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Zolio Versailles should be in according to that logic. Dale Murphy has 2 MVP's and he isn't in nor should he be. And Garvey did stay around past his prime and did pad the stats just to get him where they are.

And I dont have a HOF vote but those that do never supported Garvey even a little bit.

We disagree about what should get in the HOF.You like quantity over quality.Hence, the low # of Grade One Wins........Dale Murphy was voted to be the best player in the league...the champion player ..above all others...2 times..If you do that, you should get in automatically.My God lets award some champions.Somebody who was best at something.