Handicapping Question - Race 7 Aqu 11/18

[Linny]

I don't have the pp's here, but this was a recarding of a cancelled race on THU, which I did handicap. Bailero is a big "back class" horse, with a great record on the AQU main dirt.
I was sketchy on him last time, that $16y race. The win however was good, and though he was stepping well up (conditioned claimers, no matter what the tag are bottom level) that race could be seen as a confidence booster for an old war horse.l
As a public handicapper a (likely) low priced horse like Bailero can be a trap. If he loses and you are all over him at low odds, you look like a moron. There were several decent, in form horses in there to choose, after all. OTOH, he has a winning profile (alot of WINS) and loves AQU and seems to thrive in colder weather, so it looked like all systems were "go."

[blackthroatedwind]

I guess as public handicappers in a tough race they gravitated to the favorite as their top choice. Whether they would have stood alone with a horse like that in multi-race bets is another question entirely.

IMO it was a poor choice, as I didn't like Bailero at all, and thought in that wide open race he was a terrible play at 8:5. He won....so I'm wrong. On the other hand he got a dream trip ( while the third horse got a rather curious ride ) and won a close decision. In the long run taking horses like that at 8:5 won't do you a lot of good. But, as a public handicapper it counts as a win, so I guess they did their job well.

Personally, I hope the Baileros of the world are 8:5 every day of the week.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I guess as public handicappers in a tough race they gravitated to the favorite as their top choice. Whether they would have stood alone with a horse like that in multi-race bets is another question entirely.

IMO it was a poor choice, as I didn't like Bailero at all, and thought in that wide open race he was a terrible play at 8:5. He won....so I'm wrong. On the other hand he got a dream trip ( while the third horse got a rather curious ride ) and won a close decision. In the long run taking horses like that at 8:5 won't do you a lot of good. But, as a public handicapper it counts as a win, so I guess they did their job well.

Personally, I hope the Baileros of the world are 8:5 every day of the week.

Great perspective, Andy. I guess it was the overwhelming support the horse received coupled with the end result that had me scratching my head, when in reality Military Major had a dreadful trip by Arroyo,(I'm not sure the stewards didn't have a word with him about it) and clearly was the horse to beat in the stretch. On that line and though not nearly as blatant, Castro didn't do My Husband any favor either.

[blackthroatedwind]

I thought Arroyo's ride in the 8th was insane as well. Take a look again at how he rode the 10 horse. That horse actually ran pretty well all things considered.

As far as the 7th, if it hadn't been part of the late Pick-4 I would never have played it. My opinion in those kind of races is mediocre at best.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I thought Arroyo's ride in the 8th was insane as well. Take a look again at how he rode the 10 horse. That horse actually ran pretty well all things considered.

That's the JOHNNY V patented turf ride. It's catching on with all the jocks --even Edgar has been practicing it lately. Arroyo gave it his own added twist however: in addition to taking both turns wide and going needlessly wide WITHOUT COVER on the backstretch, he also idiotically rushed the horse on the backstretch --guess the race was to the 2nd turn for him.

If any of the stewards were the least bit competent, they'd fine any jock that goes needlessly wide without cover on the backstretch on the turf. Those types of rides should be UNacceptable at this level. Of course, we'd be hardpressed to find even a handful of jocks/jock agents that understand why this is not a favorable trip.

As for irony: Johnny V actually gave Trouble Maker a decent ride --and still got beat by an inside trip.

[jman5581]

what is "cover"? Maybe a novice question, but I heard someone saying a horse needed "cover" yesterday (I think they were referring to Storm Military) and now you're talking about it and I am lost.

Thanks...

[pointman]

Originally Posted by jman5581

what is "cover"? Maybe a novice question, but I heard someone saying a horse needed "cover" yesterday (I think they were referring to Storm Military) and now you're talking about it and I am lost.

Thanks...

Cover is having a horse in front of you.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Linny

I don't have the pp's here, but this was a recarding of a cancelled race on THU, which I did handicap. Bailero is a big "back class" horse, with a great record on the AQU main dirt.
I was sketchy on him last time, that $16y race. The win however was good, and though he was stepping well up (conditioned claimers, no matter what the tag are bottom level) that race could be seen as a confidence booster for an old war horse.l
As a public handicapper a (likely) low priced horse like Bailero can be a trap. If he loses and you are all over him at low odds, you look like a moron. There were several decent, in form horses in there to choose, after all. OTOH, he has a winning profile (alot of WINS) and loves AQU and seems to thrive in colder weather, so it looked like all systems were "go."

Makes a ton of sense. Bailero had 7 starts lifetime at AQU with 4 wins and 2 place efforts coming in...no one else came close to that kind of "track record", literally. It's an angle that I overlook too often I'm afraid. Thanks Linny