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11-16-2007, 01:46 PM
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Bye Bye Bonds...
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11-16-2007, 01:51 PM
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Yeah I hear they have BIG BATS in Prison. When you lie in Federal Court you pay big time. The only person to get off was the Contra Arm dudes that comes to mind but it went way to high up to get all the facts on it.
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11-16-2007, 02:32 PM
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Bonds has been unfairly scapegoated in all this...but he's still responsible for his actions. IF they prove he lied then he'll pay the price as he should...but they can't stop there, there needs to be resolution to the whole matter...McGuire, Sosa and probably a few thousand other pro athletes! If they stop at Bonds then one has to question the motives here...easy to nail an almost universally disliked figure to the wall but what would it prove? Either clean up the mess or let it lie...killing one termite won't stop the house from eventually falling down!
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11-16-2007, 03:15 PM
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Lying under oath validates the very foundation of our criminal justice system. If we did not have perjury laws then what would stop people from lying to the courts in any situation. The gov't has go to make sure that the testimony given to them is the truth and they have to uphold that truth. I have no problem with people going after Bonds. It wouldn't be such a big issue if he would have admitted that he did use performance enhancing drugs. I say that this never reaches a court room. I have a feeling he will plea (which is what he should do). He and Vick can be roomies and both be out in 10 months or so.
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11-16-2007, 04:10 PM
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i don't see how this prosecution should naturally lead to "resolution of the whole matter". baseball turned a blind eye to chemical cheating because marketing the home run hitters was great for the sport. it's bonds misfortune that after baseball did nothing for years, the feds got interested while he was still cheating. and then he lied about it to them. i don't think a reasonable person can call this selective prosecution. - - - btw: does this lay to rest the whole "live ball" arguement from the 90's? does anyone else remember this? tv news stories about how they were winding the balls together tighter because no one could figure out any other reason home run production was up?
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11-16-2007, 04:32 PM
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Its a shame they waited this long to indict this disgrace to baseball. As far I am concered Aaron is still the home run king, not some juiced up piece of sh!t. If he doesnt want to go to the Hame of Fame if he does get in, which im hoping he doesn't cheaters dont deserve to be in the hall. When he retires he will not be a great lose to the game.
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11-16-2007, 04:52 PM
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I think it's all bullsh1t.
It's not a foregone conclusion they will be able to demonstrate he lied. I haven't read of any direct evidence, it doesn't look like Anderson will ever roll over. That leaves Victor Conti, Bonds former girlfriend, Steve Hoskins - who Bonds fired for selling fake signatures, and whatever they might have dug up. Yeah, you can't lie to the feds and he probably did. But to prove it? I doubt it. The true villian here is Troy Ellerman, Conti's coke-head former attorney who leaked the testimony. He'll wind up doing 8-12 months. He won't get convicted. In the meantime they'll spend $10,000,000 trying the case. What a joke.
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11-16-2007, 07:06 PM
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they won't have rolled the dice on a case that is going to be headlines. typically prosecuter's in cases like this go after the main conspirator's early and only when the case is wrapping up bring indictments for perjury against witnesses who testified falsely. they weren't after barry bonds or marion jones. they were after balco. and there was little downside for the prosecuter if no charges were brought against bonds. there will be a pretty big downside if they fail to prove it in court. i do the math and say that is one confident u.s. atty bringing this case. Last edited by hi_im_god : 11-16-2007 at 07:50 PM.
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11-17-2007, 09:22 AM
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He may have lied to a Fed. Grand jury. Thats his big problem. If he had taken his lumps like Giambi, he might actually be playing. Like the other athletes who had testified before him, Bonds had signed a document that said he would give truthful testimony, no matter how damaging, and in return he would be immune from prosecution. After all, he wasn't the target in the investigation, he was only a witness against the men accused of steroid trafficking. And the live ball arguement, I remember well. I remember they did tests on the balls and there was no diff. on how the ball was wound from the 80's. So in conclusion, it might have been the players were wound a bit tighter. Just makes Maris, Ruth, and Aaron look that much better. The Feds pursue perjury with vigor. IN ALL KINDS OF CASES. The system relies heavily on people telling the truth, thats why you dont lie on the stand unless you are willing to spend time. There are a great number of business geniuses in Fed. Institutions for doing exactly what Bonds may have done. You dont hear about them. Last edited by pgardn : 11-17-2007 at 09:42 AM.
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