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Old 11-14-2007, 03:36 PM
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Default TVG Tickets 11/14 Late P4

Simon
5: 4,5,6,11,12
6: 3,6,8
7: 3
8: 1,3,10

$45

Running Total including today: ($138.00)

Matt
5: 4,5,12,16
6: 1,3,6,8
7: 1,2,3
8: 3

$48

Running total including today: ($84.00)

TVG Running Total:
Todd: ($87.00)
Mr. B: ($30.00)
Nick: ($48.00)
Frank: ($98.00)

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Old 11-14-2007, 05:24 PM
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Default 11/14 Tally

Scav: ($48.00)

TVG
Simon: ($45.00)
Matt: ($48.00)

Totals
Scav: ($237.00) (5)

TVG Running Total:
Simon: ($138.00) (3)
Matt: ($84.00) (2)
Todd: ($87.00) (2)
Mr. B: ($30.00) (1)
Nick: ($48.00) (1)
Frank: ($98.00) (2)

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Old 11-14-2007, 08:02 PM
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So, after six days of racing, nobody has hit, and there have been tons of tickets.

Just more proof that playing Pick-4s for small money, with one ticket, is not the road to victory.
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:06 PM
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Scav- Do they all play a ticket each day? It doesn't seem like it. . . If not, how are you going to score this?
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Old 11-14-2007, 08:29 PM
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Scav- Do they all play a ticket each day? It doesn't seem like it. . . If not, how are you going to score this?
There really isn't a score, it is just an exercise. Many laugh at them at how they suck and I consider myself a couple %'s better then the average handicapper and I haven't hit yet. At the end we can divide the totals by the number of tickets that were played. There is a number of different stats that can come out of it.
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Old 11-15-2007, 02:36 PM
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Default 11/15 Late P4

5: 1
6: 4,6,7,8,9
7: 1,2,5
8: 1,6,8

$45

Running Total including today's wager: ($283.00)(6)
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Old 11-15-2007, 04:08 PM
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tom - when ar we going to see some green!!!
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:20 PM
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So, after six days of racing, nobody has hit, and there have been tons of tickets.

Just more proof that playing Pick-4s for small money, with one ticket, is not the road to victory.

It also doesnt prove one large more expensive ticket with several back-up tickets is the road to victory. We would need Scavs to construct two sets of wagers for every pick 4 event to decide which format was better. If the avg pk4 payout is say $800, then scavs can go several weeks without a hit, and if he gets one he is even. In the larger play w/ backup format, you obvously have to cash at a much higher rate. I would love to see this exercise in addition, but I know this is already a serious time investment from Scavs.
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:56 PM
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It also doesnt prove one large more expensive ticket with several back-up tickets is the road to victory. We would need Scavs to construct two sets of wagers for every pick 4 event to decide which format was better. If the avg pk4 payout is say $800, then scavs can go several weeks without a hit, and if he gets one he is even. In the larger play w/ backup format, you obvously have to cash at a much higher rate. I would love to see this exercise in addition, but I know this is already a serious time investment from Scavs.
I have been wrestling with the issue of ticket size and structure a lot lately.

Guess that exercise really is the best way to really find out. Certainly would be time consuming. I also don't think any outcome could be applied across the board to everyone.

Maybe a pick4 symposium?
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:10 PM
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Lets all relax, it is 6 days in, I am one ticket away from being up for a while.

Lets visit this once the Hollywood meet is over and anaylze then
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:26 AM
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Lets all relax, it is 6 days in, I am one ticket away from being up for a while.

Lets visit this once the Hollywood meet is over and anaylze then
you shouldn't at all be discouraged. I told you that its hard to hit on $50.
here's why;
assuming 10 horse fields, throwing $50 at the pick 4 gives you the same coverage of all potential combinations as you would get by firing $4 at a trifecta in a 10 horse field.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:22 AM
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Lets all relax, it is 6 days in, I am one ticket away from being up for a while.

Lets visit this once the Hollywood meet is over and anaylze then
In Scav's we trust.... Go Get'em !
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:23 PM
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I have been wrestling with the issue of ticket size and structure a lot lately.

Guess that exercise really is the best way to really find out. Certainly would be time consuming. I also don't think any outcome could be applied across the board to everyone.

Maybe a pick4 symposium?
I think it is a good idea. I haven't taken part in a P6, but I love watching and learning from the threads...
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:32 PM
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It also doesnt prove one large more expensive ticket with several back-up tickets is the road to victory. We would need Scavs to construct two sets of wagers for every pick 4 event to decide which format was better. If the avg pk4 payout is say $800, then scavs can go several weeks without a hit, and if he gets one he is even. In the larger play w/ backup format, you obvously have to cash at a much higher rate. I would love to see this exercise in addition, but I know this is already a serious time investment from Scavs.

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Yes, a good opinion of some sort is a necessity to make money at the racetrack. But, regardless of how good one's opinion may be, they will NEVER make money in the long run playing small Pick-4 tickets. Of that I am certain.

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Old 11-16-2007, 09:43 AM
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Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Yes, a good opinion of some sort is a necessity to make money at the racetrack. But, regardless of how good one's opinion may be, they will NEVER make money in the long run playing small Pick-4 tickets. Of that I am certain.
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