Another NY trainer caught....

[The Bid]

Once youve tasted success its tough to be on the bottom of someones shoe

[Danzig]

has there been any issues with sciacca since then? i think that's also a legit question.
altho some think once a cheat, always a cheat (some say that with spouses for example) that's actually not true.
was this catch enough to put someone firmly on the straight and narrow? a lesson learned perhaps?

[The Bid]

Whats his clip since he was caught milkshaking

"Oh you were caught cheating years ago! Nevermind the fact that you were stealing money from other owners, trainers and gamblers! It was 4 years ago! You're not winning now so you deserve to keep that money you stole and roam the streets a free man! Hell maybe a hall of fame induction could be in your future!! LOL you're fat and have a good sense of humor! You get a pass lol keep eatin!!"

Originally Posted by The Bid

Whats his clip since he was caught milkshaking

All I know is he was once a force and now he wins at a 6% clip. 6% isn't exactly the 26% clip he once won at.

Originally Posted by Danzig

has there been any issues with sciacca since then? i think that's also a legit question.
altho some think once a cheat, always a cheat (some say that with spouses for example) that's actually not true.
was this catch enough to put someone firmly on the straight and narrow? a lesson learned perhaps?

You could give the guy a pass if his assistant did it while he was away and if he FIRED the assistant. If he didn't fire the assistant right away the liklihood is he was well aware of what was going on and he is part of the problem. Sorry but in the sport of horse racing, once a cheater always a cheater. Overrages are one thing, milkshaking though is a blatant effort at cheating.

You seem to want to be forgiving but do you want to reimburse the people that lose money to horses that won due to cheating.

Remember, usually when someone gets caught cheating there are numerous other times when they were cheating and didn't get caught.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Benevolus

You could give the guy a pass if his assistant did it while he was away and if he FIRED the assistant. If he didn't fire the assistant right away the liklihood is he was well aware of what was going on and he is part of the problem. Sorry but in the sport of horse racing, once a cheater always a cheater. Overrages are one thing, milkshaking though is a blatant effort at cheating.

You seem to want to be forgiving but do you want to reimburse the people that lose money to horses that won due to cheating.

Remember, usually when someone gets caught cheating there are numerous other times when they were cheating and didn't get caught.

so why are cheaters still allowed in the sport? that's my beef. biancone got a 15 day sit down, but it was suspended if he didn't get caught anywhere else. so what happens, another positive. so two 15-day suspensions. then the cobra venom. still not enough to show the guy the door for good. so then he thumbs his nose at racing, shows up at the bc when he knows he isn't wanted. but technically the ban hadn't started yet, altho the horses had been transferred. glad the guy at monmouth told him to get lost. he should have to stay lost!
and yes, i do try to give the benefit of the doubt--as this particular case sounds shady. differing stories, trainer on vacation, security may have had the wrong horse, etc. to me the time span fighting it means nothing, as the 'why would i fight so hard if i was guilty' defense means nothing--used pretty often.
what i want to know is if there is anything to go on in this particular case then he said, he said. was the horse tested? was that horse the one who was going to race, or was it a horse that had run the day before? as i said, allegations aren't proof.

if there is proof, by all means, serve the time. people allege jamie sanders is no trainer, yet there she is, license in hand.

biancone got caught with testing. and searching, more than once. he's a repeat offender. but i truly hope that not all offenders are the type to do so over and over.

but then, who's to blame? the many-times over cheater, or the sport who continues to welcome him back with open arms, the prodigal trainer come back to try again? never know, might end up with an eclipse award for his/her troubles.