Go back to sleep, there's nothing to see here

[blackthroatedwind]

I spent more time talking about this horse the following morning at Siros than I did discussing the Travers.

Sadly it is no more disgraceful now than it was then. The only difference is that now we have actual proof.

[cmorioles]

One very observant friend also told me this horse was not saddled by the "trainer" of record, but a regular NY circuit. I guess he was really duped...NOT!

[blackthroatedwind]

That would be Rick Violette.

I do not condone the race day use of drugs on horses in any manner and would fine the seriously fine the trainer on the first positive, and ban them for ten years or so on the second.

But this horse was not impossible off the racing form. In fact Steve Crist, I believe, had the pick six and included this horse because of race shape and several over par races.

The horse was a stakeswinner facing one x foes.. Was dropping substantially in class and only one or two others in the field had ever hit the board in the one X class. Star for a Day had never not cashed a check in a one x except the race where it was wiped out at the start and then had to take time off.

Many on this board routinely bet NY with the Dutrows, Contessa, Lake et.al ...and they are not exactly altar boys...to each its own BBB

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

I do not condone the race day use of drugs on horses in any manner and would fine the seriously fine the trainer on the first positive, and ban them for ten years or so on the second.

But this horse was not impossible off the racing form. In fact Steve Crist, I believe, had the pick six and included this horse because of race shape and several over par races.

The horse was a stakeswinner facing one x foes.. Was dropping substantially in class and only one or two others in the field had ever hit the board in the one X class. Star for a Day had never not cashed a check in a one x except the race where it was wiped out at the start and then had to take time off.

Many on this board routinely bet NY with the Dutrows, Contessa, Lake et.al ...and they are not exactly altar boys...to each its own BBB

It was not impossible of the racing form? Please, nearly any horse can be made a winner after the race. Regardless, it doesn't freaking matter anymore, the connections cheated and have been caught. Those that said the race smelled funny were right.

I am pleased to hear you don't condone race day drugs, however.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

I do not condone the race day use of drugs on horses in any manner and would fine the seriously fine the trainer on the first positive, and ban them for ten years or so on the second.

But this horse was not impossible off the racing form. In fact Steve Crist, I believe, had the pick six and included this horse because of race shape and several over par races.

The horse was a stakeswinner facing one x foes.. Was dropping substantially in class and only one or two others in the field had ever hit the board in the one X class. Star for a Day had never not cashed a check in a one x except the race where it was wiped out at the start and then had to take time off.

Many on this board routinely bet NY with the Dutrows, Contessa, Lake et.al ...and they are not exactly altar boys...to each its own BBB

Steve Crist included this horse as a C, one of nine total he used in the race, and hit the Pick-6 that day only because one of his A horses won every other race that day. See, unlike you, he knows how to bet to win multi-race wagers. He, in this case, was able to cash because he gave himself at least one opportunity to be wrong and still win.

On the second highlighted part......huh? Who is defending the people you mentioned and how is it relevant to the discussion other than to say " this person cheated just like I ( being BBB ) believe these others cheat, so what's the big deal? "

As for the other post race redboarding....it fails to mention the field the horse was racing against so at the very best it is just an attempt to try and discredit the thoughts of the very poster who has completely discredited you on this board.

[Danzig]

where's maggi moss to set this straight?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bellsbendboy

I do not condone the race day use of drugs on horses in any manner and would fine the seriously fine the trainer on the first positive, and ban them for ten years or so on the second.

But this horse was not impossible off the racing form. In fact Steve Crist, I believe, had the pick six and included this horse because of race shape and several over par races.

The horse was a stakeswinner facing one x foes.. Was dropping substantially in class and only one or two others in the field had ever hit the board in the one X class. Star for a Day had never not cashed a check in a one x except the race where it was wiped out at the start and then had to take time off.

Many on this board routinely bet NY with the Dutrows, Contessa, Lake et.al ...and they are not exactly altar boys...to each its own BBB

exactly what does this mean? that everyone should just shrug and say 'oh well. no doubt i've won bets from cheaters, who cares if i lose due to cheating'?? that's insane. or that bettors deserve to lose to a cheat on their bets if they've ever bet a horse that's been trained by a someone with positives in their past?

no wonder you get so much grief from so many on here. you're certifiable.

[sumitas]

It takes too long to hand down the punishment. The punishments should increment up in severity. The trainers should do time in Goochland.