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Old 11-04-2007, 06:36 PM
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What everyone is dancing around with their not-too-subtle insinuations is that the only explaination some buy for an unexpectedly exceptional performance by a horse is drug abuse.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:39 PM
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What everyone is dancing around with their not-too-subtle insinuations is that the only explaination some buy for an unexpectedly exceptional performance by a horse is drug abuse.
Absolutely NOT!! It is not the only explanation, but it is ONE POSSIBILITY.
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:28 PM
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Absolutely NOT!! It is not the only explanation, but it is ONE POSSIBILITY.
Agreed it's certainly one possibility.

But I tend to consider that for trainers that have multiple, repeated drug positives over the years in their histories, rather than for those that do not.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:54 PM
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Maybe because some of the guys who have produced instant turnarounds with horses are trainers who have served drug suspensions.
Yes, indeed, but we are not talking about those trainers.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:11 PM
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Curious if Sirius is able to track listener numbers, Steve?
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Old 11-04-2007, 11:43 PM
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I'm sure Monday will be high
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:52 AM
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Curious if Sirius is able to track listener numbers, Steve?

Probably not with the internet audience but I'll wager archives is setting records with the Nov 2nd first hour.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:49 AM
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Curious if Sirius is able to track listener numbers, Steve?
They take polls monthly.. Their own in-house, Neilsen-style ratings, to get an idea of who's listening to what, because there are no Arbitrons for satellite radio.

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Probably not with the internet audience but I'll wager archives is setting records with the Nov 2nd first hour.
The internet listenership is easily tracked actually..
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Old 11-05-2007, 03:01 AM
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They take polls monthly.. Their own in-house, Neilsen-style ratings, to get an idea of who's listening to what, because there are no Arbitrons for satellite radio.


The internet listenership is easily tracked actually..
So you get total numbers from both archive only as well as those that dial the radio in the car and they separate it like that for you......you have to tell us how many people hit that link for 11/2/07 archives and what the norm numbers are for a typical show.

And you need to sleep more boss....
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:31 AM
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"Drug-testing, from a historical perspective, is a colossal flop," said Chuck Yesalis, the retired Penn State professor, an expert on such matters. "One might argue that its done more damage than good because it has kept a façade — 'So-and-so must be clean because he never flunked a drug test.' "

This quote is from Jon Saraceno's column in USA Today on September 26, 2007, in the aftermath of Marion Jones' admission that she used steroids before the Sydney Olympics; her defense up to that point had always been that she never failed a drug test. In light of the capabilities of many of racing's testing labs and the fact that there are no tests for many designer drugs (cobra and cone snail venom are recent examples), it's hard to reach the conclusion that a certain trainer must be clean because he/she has no positives, or only a few. By that standard, Patrick Biancone ran a clean barn in the US prior to 2007 - and who, in light of recent revelations, believes that?
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