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Old 11-04-2007, 06:03 PM
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The colic certainly should not come under suspicion because of his previous problems. The colitis X is not that uncommon. Warners brought the most questions because he had recently run a freaky race far out of character and there was never a reason given concerning his death.

Cant really compare this to humans becuase horses die from things that humans easily recover from. Also the fact that he trains over 200 horses makes it less unusual than a guy who has 20 and the same problem.

They all ran freaky races.

Freedom's Daughter dueled in an insane pace and drew off like a machine and Left Bank's Whitney was a devastating performance. He sat off a Jerkens horse who set a ridiculous pace and destroyed Street Cry among others. Street Cry was coming off his blowout ( and 122 Beyer ) of Congaree in the Foster.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:08 PM
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I was not nearly as "involved" in racing back then as now (and by involved, I mean a fan), so I don't have specific information. I'm looking at this with no pre-conceived notions, I just feel it is REASONABLE to be suspicious. I don't think Pletcher's stable was that large back in 2002, but I don't know for sure.
Also, there is speculation that this was right around the time he started his relationship with Dr. Allday.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:11 PM
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I was not nearly as "involved" in racing back then as now (and by involved, I mean a fan), so I don't have specific information. I'm looking at this with no pre-conceived notions, I just feel it is REASONABLE to be suspicious. I don't think Pletcher's stable was that large back in 2002, but I don't know for sure.
Also, there is speculation that this was right around the time he started his relationship with Dr. Allday.
He was pretty big back then too.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:32 PM
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They all ran freaky races.

Freedom's Daughter dueled in an insane pace and drew off like a machine and Left Bank's Whitney was a devastating performance. He sat off a Jerkens horse who set a ridiculous pace and destroyed Street Cry among others. Street Cry was coming off his blowout ( and 122 Beyer ) of Congaree in the Foster.
You mean a 3 furlong blowout before the race didn't make their Beyers freak out? Damn I thought these trainers were good.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:36 PM
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What everyone is dancing around with their not-too-subtle insinuations is that the only explaination some buy for an unexpectedly exceptional performance by a horse is drug abuse.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:39 PM
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What everyone is dancing around with their not-too-subtle insinuations is that the only explaination some buy for an unexpectedly exceptional performance by a horse is drug abuse.
Absolutely NOT!! It is not the only explanation, but it is ONE POSSIBILITY.
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Old 11-04-2007, 07:28 PM
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Absolutely NOT!! It is not the only explanation, but it is ONE POSSIBILITY.
Agreed it's certainly one possibility.

But I tend to consider that for trainers that have multiple, repeated drug positives over the years in their histories, rather than for those that do not.
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Old 11-04-2007, 08:54 PM
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Maybe because some of the guys who have produced instant turnarounds with horses are trainers who have served drug suspensions.
Yes, indeed, but we are not talking about those trainers.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:11 PM
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Curious if Sirius is able to track listener numbers, Steve?
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Old 11-04-2007, 11:43 PM
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I'm sure Monday will be high
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:52 AM
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Curious if Sirius is able to track listener numbers, Steve?

Probably not with the internet audience but I'll wager archives is setting records with the Nov 2nd first hour.
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Old 11-05-2007, 02:49 AM
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Curious if Sirius is able to track listener numbers, Steve?
They take polls monthly.. Their own in-house, Neilsen-style ratings, to get an idea of who's listening to what, because there are no Arbitrons for satellite radio.

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Probably not with the internet audience but I'll wager archives is setting records with the Nov 2nd first hour.
The internet listenership is easily tracked actually..
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