Slow month for Jessie?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Mea culpa, I forgot about Rev. Al Crapton, who incited a riot against "white interlopers" in Harlem, which ended in a burned-out building. I say this as a resident of Hymietown, of course. (Different guy, I know.)

Again, I respect your different point of view regarding both these public figures...that's different from the post I responded to! If you look closely enough at any public figure, indeed at any human being, you will find your share of warts....my position doesn't constitute a "blind eye", it is simply a product of being around awhile. Whether it be George Bush, Hillary Clinton or the pope...I was listening to some Cincinnati talk radio program yesterday coming home from work, a well-known conservative talking head was taking Hillary to task for being hypocritical, a liar and stupid. George Bush's intelligence is questioned by what appears to be the entire liberal community, and the pope has stuck his holy foot in his mouth rather frequently. These partisan "views" of folks who maintain a different philosophy dot the landscape of Americana...but a 15 year old girl has nothing to do with the state of America's political environment....and the rather curious expansion of a "mock Jesse" thread to include only black so-called "examples" while excluding equally (or greater) repulsive acts by white folks speaks for itself.

[Danzig]

but the da in the duke case would have had no case had the 'victim' not made up the story. two wrongs don't make a right either.

nor do i think the above post that was called racist was inded racist. color should not mean that anyone should be more believable, nor be given more leeway, etc. punishing people who did nothing wrong will not make correct past wrongs.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but the da in the duke case would have had no case had the 'victim' not made up the story. two wrongs don't make a right either.

nor do i think the above post that was called racist was inded racist. color should not mean that anyone should be more believable, nor be given more leeway, etc. punishing people who did nothing wrong will not make correct past wrongs.

You miss my point Mrs Z....did I attempt to "excuse" the actions of the NC woman or the 15 year old? Certainly not...but why were only black examples used? Again, if referencing "political whores", the DA is most certainly a better example than some poor prostitute (if in fact she is) and Tawana has faded into history yet dragged out again to complete this guy's list of black-only folks to ridicule...it is absolutely a racist post. Anything said about Jesse Jackson can be said about any political figure (and constantly is by the opposing faction). Again, I respect Jesse and someone else may not, that isn't the issue...simply stated, what do Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, the woman in NC and Tawana Brawley have in common within the subtext of this thread? Answer...they are all black!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

You miss my point Mrs Z....did I attempt to "excuse" the actions of the NC woman or the 15 year old? Certainly not...but why were only black examples used? Again, if referencing "political whores", the DA is most certainly a better example than some poor prostitute (if in fact she is) and Tawana has faded into history yet dragged out again to complete this guy's list of black-only folks to ridicule...it is absolutely a racist post. Anything said about Jesse Jackson can be said about any political figure (and constantly is by the opposing faction). Again, I respect Jesse and someone else may not, that isn't the issue...simply stated, what do Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakhan, the woman in NC and Tawana Brawley have in common within the subtext of this thread? Answer...they are all black!

but they are also all people who use past wrongs to try to further themselves.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but they are also all people who use past wrongs to try to further themselves.

But how is that germane to the thread's topic? And are you saying that the poster "just happened" to select only black examples? Stay on topic...what is the relevancy of the acts of a 15 year old girl and the NC woman to the discussion of Jackson's stance on the stated issue and the concept of "political whoring"?

[otisotisotis]

somer, nascar's comments certainly appear to reek, but the point of the thread is that jj takes the 'oh no, we're getting screwed again' attitude.
honestly, it is tired and does not play well anymore.
if a minority group was really interested in obtaining or producing satelite radio, a nascar team, or any other thing (beside the oil bidness), don't you think it would happen?
there is no lack of people or groups that like nothing more than to knock down barriers, maybe he should keep his pie hole shut and quit hindering,or burdening, people with his idiocy.

Why include me in your morality lesson, somer? Worry about yourself and how you're going to make a living. I grow tired of your lessons on life when you fail every single day at it.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by otisotisotis

somer, nascar's comments certainly appear to reek, but the point of the thread is that jj takes the 'oh no, we're getting screwed again' attitude.
honestly, it is tired and does not play well anymore.
if a minority group was really interested in obtaining or producing satelite radio, a nascar team, or any other thing (beside the oil bidness), don't you think it would happen?
there is no lack of people or groups that like nothing more than to knock down barriers, maybe he should keep his pie hole shut and quit hindering,or burdening, people with his idiocy.

Otis,
I understand your position but I disagree...what we learned in the 60's is that nothing changes until enough people bitch about it, shouldn't be that way but it is! Jesse has been a spokesman for a long time...he has supporters and he has detractors, just as his mentor, Dr King did. Has Jesse made some poor decisions? I think so. Has he shown that he's human? You bet! But after the murder of Dr King, the black community needed leaders and he stepped to the plate...so did the other two men mentioned. Just as half the country disagrees with George Bush and the other half disagree with Hillary Clinton, so it goes with Jesse and the others. I think each issue can be debated but falling back on a "knee-jerk" mindset that if Jesse opposes something, he's doing it for personal gain misses the point...easy to attack the messenger but in the end, it's the message that matters. Again, it's useless for me to defend Jesse here...folks have long sense made up their minds one way or the other but sitting back and staying quiet has never worked in any society. Keep in mind that the purpose of my original post wasn't to defend Jesse but to point out that the post I quoted was racist.