Bush's first veto

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I think Doyle was in the first 8 or 9 but your point is 100% correct. Jenny was revisited, first by Dru and much later by the First. Illyria's ability to change into Fred and fool even her parents, Tara's memory (would have seen her again if Amber had been available), Joyce reappearing to Dawn. Then again, how masterful was Joss in introducing Dawn in the first place! How do you suddenly introduce a kid sister in the fifth season of a show and have her being a part of everything from the beginning??

I so agree; he took some very big risks and made them pay off. It was smart, too-- Buffy had been the daughter in the mother-daughter relationship and that was just about played out, dramatically speaking. So he introduces this character, and then, with the death of Joyce, Buffy moves into the mother role, as it were. Smart, smart writing.

I thought I also read somewhere Amber didn't want to reprise Tara in that episode because it wasn't really Tara; it was the First, and she didn't want fans' last memories of Tara to be of an evil imposter. For which I give her big props, if that's true. (Though she has nothing negative to say about Joss, et al, by the way- -I think she just disagreed with this particular idea)

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I so agree; he took some very big risks and made them pay off. It was smart, too-- Buffy had been the daughter in the mother-daughter relationship and that was just about played out, dramatically speaking. So he introduces this character, and then, with the death of Joyce, Buffy moves into the mother role, as it were. Smart, smart writing.

I thought I also read somewhere Amber didn't want to reprise Tara in that episode because it wasn't really Tara; it was the First, and she didn't want fans' last memories of Tara to be of an evil imposter. For which I give her big props, if that's true. (Though she has nothing negative to say about Joss, et al, by the way- -I think she just disagreed with this particular idea)

That could be, I think she also had other commitments during the filming of "Conversations With Dead People". It certainly would have added power to Willow's torment to have had her speaking with The First/Tara. That episode was great by the way! I especially enjoyed Buffy's conversation with her high school mate...hated to see her dust him! Folks simply don't know what they are missing if they never got into these shows, so many people laugh at them just cause of the name yet they were easily the best ever on TV, certainly the most thought-provoking and yet so damn funny at times! Even the darker Angel was downright hilarious still...

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

That could be, I think she also had other commitments during the filming of "Conversations With Dead People". It certainly would have added power to Willow's torment to have had her speaking with The First/Tara. That episode was great by the way! I especially enjoyed Buffy's conversation with her high school mate...hated to see her dust him! Folks simply don't know what they are missing if they never got into these shows, so many people laugh at them just cause of the name yet they were easily the best ever on TV, certainly the most thought-provoking and yet so damn funny at times! Even the darker Angel was downright hilarious still...

I agree. A friend of mine still bears me a slight grudge for evangelizing about "Buffy" so much and so often that his girlfriend (a dear friend of mine) finally Netflicked the first season and they both promptly kissed the next six weeks of their lives goodbye as they sat in front of the TV from 6-11PM every night, watching the whole series.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I agree. A friend of mine still bears me a slight grudge for evangelizing about "Buffy" so much and so often that his girlfriend (a dear friend of mine) finally Netflicked the first season and they both promptly kissed the next six weeks of their lives goodbye as they sat in front of the TV from 6-11PM every night, watching the whole series.

Yep, each time I bought the DVD of a season, I promply sat down in front of the TV and watched every episode, along with every single extra. Then I watched them again...and again! Right now, with my current problems, I don't even have a DVD player...but all seven seasons of Buffy, five seasons of Angel and single season of Firefly are safely kept for sure! I have some others of course, but those will be with me forever!

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