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Old 10-30-2007, 03:41 PM
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No Chance, Ill agree with you that the guys you mentioned had better seasons than DCat last year, but on ratings, DCat is well up there with the class of 2006. His Cigar Mile win when as a 3yo he gave Silver Wagon 4pounds and Badge of Silver 7pounds and a beating in a super quick time was one of the performances of the year. That alone puts him right up with Invasor and Deep Impact when considering who the best horse of 2006 was..
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:52 PM
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No Chance, Ill agree with you that the guys you mentioned had better seasons than DCat last year, but on ratings, DCat is well up there with the class of 2006. His Cigar Mile win when as a 3yo he gave Silver Wagon 4pounds and Badge of Silver 7pounds and a beating in a super quick time was one of the performances of the year. That alone puts him right up with Invasor and Deep Impact when considering who the best horse of 2006 was..
Visually that race was very impressive, but i can't help but think that if that race was it was cracked up to be, why was he 1-4?

Without doubt, it was a super quick time and he impressed me. But was that a fluke? On all of his form, you'd probably have to come down on saying "yes". He won one Grade 1 race, and in my mind that doesn't make him a brilliant or a great horse. A good one? Yes, but that is as far as it goes for me.

I think he is a horse you either really like or really don't rate. I'm very much in the second group. I'm sorry, but i never really saw the brilliance that other people did.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:57 PM
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he was 1-4 because he had never even looked like being out of 2nd gear in any race before.and despite the useful competition, many thought of him as the best horse owned by Sheikh Mo. that race certainly wasnt a fluke IMO, it was a culmination of a cautious season with him that allowed him to show how good he was instead of rushing him into a derby trail preperation. if you look at his RPRs, he had steady improvement every race up until the Cigar Mile... something went wrong this winter and he never recovered..
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:10 PM
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We will have to agree to disagree. I've never thought the horse was anything special.

Certainly not good enough to be referred to as "brilliant".

He was a good horse, but also a very fragile one.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:37 PM
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just saw that discreet cat will stand for 30k.

and someone said that stud fees are low?!
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:45 PM
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just saw that discreet cat will stand for 30k.

and someone said that stud fees are low?!
That is reasonable. A 30k stud fee for a horse with Grade 1 wins at a mile is not bad.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:47 PM
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That is reasonable. A 30k stud fee for a horse with Grade 1 wins at a mile is not bad.
but i wouldn't call it low either, his or anyone's. obviously they'll get the most they think they can...
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:52 PM
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When you book a mare to a stallion do you really give a dam how many horses were better then the stallion you want.

Forestry's have been commercially successful and fast. Not my favorite but DC will certainly be an interesting prospect. How sucessful he will or won't be is anyone's guess. I suggest the Godolphin folks will give him plenty of quality mares in his first few seasons.

As for how good DC really was? I think he was pretty special but who knows how much better or worse his career could have been if handled by a more stable training environment?
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