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10-29-2007, 05:44 PM
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 if its marketed properly to Aussie and Asian horses, next years BC could be the best yet..
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10-29-2007, 05:45 PM
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10-29-2007, 05:58 PM
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If someone takes a great-performing horse off the track at three and puts him into the shed, they are greedy bastards.
If they take the non-useful horse out of the shed and put the good race horse back on the track to continue to race, they are greedy bastards. If a horse isn't a top fav for a race he shouldn't be in there. Fields are too short because everyone is afraid of being beat and pulls their horse. We deserve better - put those longer shots back in there. If a horse breaks down, it's the connection's fault - they knew the horse was at risk. Or it's the fault of the dirt. Or the poly. Or the turf. Or the breeding. Or drug abuse. I forgot this one: if you are one of the top ten horses in the country in your division, you're still nothing but crap if your Beyer is 5 points less than those better, and you don't deserve to race with them! This sport is so confusing.
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10-29-2007, 06:04 PM
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10-29-2007, 06:06 PM
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 George was beautiful - loved his face.
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10-29-2007, 06:07 PM
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and he was a beauty.
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10-29-2007, 09:33 PM
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He was in the race for one reason: not because it was the best spot but because if by some miracle and he won or ran 2nd or even 3rd, he would've enhanced his stud value.
Bolger's comments are laughable. I would equate it to Bobby Frankel or Todd Pletcher saying the Epsom Derby is meaningless because it often isn't run on firm turf.
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10-29-2007, 06:05 PM
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It looks to be just a slap at US racing.
as far as the drugs issue, okay yes thats a valid one that we have to deal with, and maybe we aren't the example for the world. but the event that prompted his comment was the breakdown of a European horse, so I don't get the tie in to drugs. and as far as the surface goes, advocating polytrack for all future BC's, can he actually be making the leap that using polytrack for the BC will guarantee no breakdowns will occurr? is he implying that there are no breakdowns over there on polytrack? and is polytrack safer than turf? if so why don't they run all the big european races on poly for safety? if its like he says and polytrack "separates the men from the boys" then why don't they lead the way? as most people know on here I think polytrack might be safer in the long run, but a breakdown can occur anytime on any surface. why should we take these comments seriously? I'm guessing he would have had nothing to say had George pulled off an upset and won the thing.
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10-29-2007, 10:00 PM
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It is a slap at US racing.. and one well-meant. And deserved. We're an embarassment on the International front in regards to our allowing tons of pharmaceutical enhancements in our horses, not to mention hidden foal surgeries and steroids in our sales yearlings/2yo's, etc.. It's a system totally skewed to greed that's hastened the deterioration of the quality of the racing and is undermining of the integrity of the breed. And they do lead the way and don't need to run their races on polytrack... They're running on turf except at the all-weather/all-season locales. The comments should be taken seriously because they reflect the contempt that's out there for what is an increasingly inferior product on track in this country. That's fueled by increasingly fragile horses that are babied by the training community due to the need of the owners to feed right back into the perverted financial machine of the breeding side. It's a vicious circle.
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10-29-2007, 10:25 PM
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The general issue is integrity and safety of the horse and rider. American horse racing does have a bad reputation for lack of safety and the over use of drugs. Full disclosure of any horse at auction must be enforced and the sooner the better.
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10-29-2007, 10:31 PM
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Does everyone think drugs in horses is a new thing?
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10-30-2007, 11:42 AM
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10-30-2007, 12:02 PM
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Yeah lets keep listening to the Brits. Before you know it we'll all dress like this...
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10-29-2007, 10:27 PM
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Personally I dont care what the euros or others think. They have no problem coming over for our races and the big money purses. They have no problems coming over and buying our breeding stock and yearlings. Sheik Mo has no problem since he is focused so much on the American market in recent years in both breeding and racing. They have no problem taking our money for their castoffs especially the ones who need medication like Lasix. They have no problem when so many of their riders (ex boys/girls) come over here looking for better opportunites. They never particularly cared about dirt racing until now. Maybe they should look into their own system of racing outside the top stakes where 1/2 the field isn't even trying in order to get a lower handicap. Our leading jockey is not on trial for race fixing. Maybe they should try to fix their own house where maidens run for crap purses. Maybe they should have theri own Breeders Cup and do with it whatever they want. Run it on turf, dirt, poly, fibresand, whatever. Remind Jim Bolger that we dont need them, racing in this country did just fine pre breeders cup and pre polytrack. I have no problem with the european tracks, horses, or horseman. As a matter of fact I like going over there and love Newmarket. But they have no right to tell us what to do or how to do it if they participate in a few select events a year. By the way will Mr. Bolger be boycotting the Dubai festival because of that dreaded dirt?
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10-29-2007, 10:46 PM
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I would be more inclined to take it seriously if the remarks weren't made just after the superior euro's were shut out at the breeders cup by our inferior product, it just has the sound of sour grapes to me. It sounds like an attempt to blame America for this. maybe i'm reading to much into it but thats what I hear in those words. Why was this the moment for Mr. Bolger to offer remedies for US racing? Did he speak to the issue that George Washington didn't seem to belong in the race? was he really prepared for a 10F dirt race? I said over and over before the race that I didn't understand why the horse was running. It was the wrong distance, wrong surface, and the horse was obviously not currently at a competitive level with our top dirt routers. Okay if we are to listen and take this seriously, are you in favor of running all future Classics on polytrack? it just bothers me for anyone to use a particular breakdown to try to prove a complex point. what immediate conclusions should Americans have made about euro racing when Horatio Nelson was fatally injured in the Epsom Derby last year for the same connections? it was on turf and i guess no drugs were involved.
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10-30-2007, 04:45 PM
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The ONLY ones to blame for the death of George Washington are his connections. A classic winning miler in europe, who was sterile, by the way, had absolutely nothing to gain by running in the classic. Especially not on dirt sloppy, or otherwise. Bad judgement by O'brien. Even worse was the jock continuing to beat the tar out of him when he was spinning his wheels going nowhere.
The connections got what they deserved (poor performances due to greed/arrogance). The only unfortunate part is that it came at the life expense of a super horse. How dare they lash out at every one and everything associated with American racing and the Breeder's Cup. That outfit busts up more expensive horseflesh than anyone. Talk about living in denial.
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10-30-2007, 04:54 PM
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10-30-2007, 04:56 PM
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Ask his connections, they are blaming everything/everyone else.
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10-30-2007, 05:02 PM
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I don't think anything or anyone is to blame.
Yes, in hindsight the Coolmore team shouldn't have run George OR Dylan, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. What this has raised is the safety of dirt when it becomes very wet. It certainly has opened my eyes. I didn't realise that when it got so sloppy that horses were basically running on the hard base below the actual 'dirt' surface until it was said by the vets who went to the aid of George Washington. George Was 'climbing' because of the horrific kickback there was on Saturday. Because of him 'climbing' he was more than likely hitting to ground much harder than usual. This may have led to the build up of his injury, it may not. But it certainly couldn't have helped. Rain is an external constraint, it's out of our hands, but if it rains THAT much on a dirt track, it can become dangerous. I think that is the main cause for concern.
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